wolfganghendra
03-14-2009, 08:47 AM
Hi There,
I used to using RouterBoard as my embedded board for my wireless connection, but since last year i try using Ubiquity as CPE n well done, i get great performance from it. Know i like to start using the Router Station which cheaper n had same spec with RB433AH. my question is, is router station support Mikrotik OS? if support how to install it?
Please any one......tell me how?
thanks
wolfganghendra
skyhook
03-14-2009, 11:05 AM
If I don't worry, actually, no porting provided from Mikrotik.
"Miktotik"....Slavic for "We won't port"
Why does someone needs such crappy thing as Mikrotik? Mikrotik guys are so greedy that they managed to turn opensource Debian distribution into half-closed, half-proprietary and awfully restricted stuff. They're doing very best to prevent customers from getting source or customizing firmware to fit their needs. They offer only restricted and stupid configuration. Are you really prefer to work in restricted Mikrotik environment and pay moron licensing fees to Mikrotik for things others are getting for FREE? As for me, OpenWRT (provided with these cool Ubiquiti boards) proved itself as FREE, UNRESTRICTED and VERY FLEXIBLE solution. Actually, any people familiar with network equipment can get many neat things from these boards with their current software. And if you have some skills with Linux, Router Station turns into a real dream machine, exactly as Ubiquiti promised :D. Mikrotik is surely not a great thing to dream about... they're too greedy and restrictive guys, IMHO.
roc-noc.com
03-28-2009, 02:56 AM
Sorry, didn't know this was the Mikrotik bashing forum. I guess that is the easy thing to do when patiently waiting for RouterStations to ship and RouterStation software to be written.
rmichael
03-28-2009, 10:55 AM
Sorry, didn't know this was the Mikrotik bashing forum. I guess that is the easy thing to do when patiently waiting for RouterStations to ship and RouterStation software to be written.
Adding little yin to the yang? :D
Btw, I like what you're doing at your site. Selling assembled mikrotik is the step in the right direction as one area where ubiquity is way ahead of the pack is well engineered enclosures.
adrianatkins
03-28-2009, 03:49 PM
I have bought a lot of MikroTik.
It *mainly* works.
There are several crap things tho, not least of which are the MUMs they keep bothering me with.
Apparently i just do not know enough about their front-end-to-linux so i have to go to some expensive training courses to know what i need to make their stuff talk to linux properly.
In the end i just hacked it from the rear and had a look. (build a ramfs kernel, boot from net, alter wot you want - i.e. add a telnet daemon on an odd port, telnet in after RouterOS boots)
What i saw was not so good, and as another guy said - it is restrictive - so i'll be buying more UBNT as soon as i get my OpenWRT stuff done, as i will change my MT routers for UBNT ones as soon as they are proven stable, and do what i want them to.
J_Hughes
03-29-2009, 12:22 AM
OK.. So...
Mikrotik might have origionally been developed from open source stuff, but it is now a HIGHLY specialized product. And as for the cost of RouterOS, all their boards are packaged with it for no additional cost; just the boards by themselves would be worth the price they charge.
They deserve to make a living like anyone else, doesn't make them greedy... In fact, they could make THOUSANDS more per system than they are charging.
But anyhow, instead of waxing eloquent about Mikrotik stuff, I'm gonna quote Dennis Burgess, he does Mikrotik training and is on the board for Dslreports.com
Understanding mikrotik and its usages is something of a science. You have to understand your needs, wants, requirements, and abilities to be able to fully utilize mikrotik in all of its forms.
In some cases I have clients that use MT just at the bottom of their towers, leaving the APs down to dumb bridges, such as Tranzos/Trangos, etc. Depending on your loading, doing routing across multiple ports on a nice MT at the bottom of the tower is a great way to go.
In other cases, having the cheapest possible tower, say, one 5.8 gig backhaul into a tower, and three 120* sectors, is sometimes the best way to start. With mikrotik, in this configuration, you can still ROUTE everything, that so that�€™s a great way of going.
The conversation fails to really answer the question that superdog originally asked. That question, why we run MT when there are other, less complex systems available.
To answer that, it really comes down to how you run you business, do you look at features first, or price. Maybe you look at serviceability, or manufacture support over both of them, but if that was the case, Cisco would be all over the place in the WISP industry.
Something else to consider, is that anyone who is putting up these �€œdumb�€� access-points that are not CALEA complainant, that is a requirement now, that new or replacement devices be CALEA compliant.
Now that said, as some people have mentioned, some clients prefer to have a mikrotik just at the bottom of the tower, terminate their PPPoE sessions, and do their OSPF. Some prefer to have the firewall ability along with the ability to terminate the PPPoE sessions they have at the client! It really all comes down to, WHAT YOU WANT, what you can service, and how you deal with it.
Replying to a post about polling feature, I would have never used nstream as a P2mP AP. Also, something else, 802.11b is only going to scale to around 40-50 clients depending on the bandwidth you give them. Another factor is if they are throttled at the client site, or at the AP.
The MAIN reason I personally use MT as an access point, is simple flexibility. I can put different radio card in, and go from 900 MHz to 2.4, even 4.9, 5.2 and 5.8. I can firewall customers at the AP, and even do some PPPoE termination if I wish.
There is something to be said about just going up and replacing a box and you are done. I do that, I have a MT in a NEMA, if I have an issue; I replace the whole box, then deal with if it is a card, pigtail etc, after work on it while it is on the ground.
Something on the mikrotik support comments, I have never had an e-mail that had not been responded too. Unlike a linksys, that can only run a few different ways, your mikrotik can do almost limitless things. However, just like any good engineer, you have to know how to put the pieces of the puzzle together. Cisco does not offer to help you configure your entire network under their support. There support is to help when the product fails, vs. telling you how to use the product. There are a number of classes for Cisco gear if you wish to become proficient in using them, just the same as mikrotik has a number of classes that you can take to become proficient in mikrotik. I would be happy to recommend them.
So, if you want all of the features, for a cheap price, with endless options, and infinite configuration abilities, then mikrotik is your product. However, that said, sometimes, you don�€™t need all of the features, etc, then, going with another product is also fine, simpler and easier to support. Ether way, I will be glad to help you out with any of your MT issues.
Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, N+, mikrotik Certified
www.mikrotikconsulting.com
rmichael
03-29-2009, 11:55 AM
OK.. So...
Mikrotik might have origionally been developed from open source stuff, but it is now a HIGHLY specialized product. And as for the cost of RouterOS, all their boards are packaged with it for no additional cost; just the boards by themselves would be worth the price they charge.
They deserve to make a living like anyone else, doesn't make them greedy... In fact, they could make THOUSANDS more per system than they are charging.
But anyhow, instead of waxing eloquent about Mikrotik stuff, I'm gonna quote Dennis Burgess, he does Mikrotik training and is on the board for Dslreports.com
I don't necessarly disagree. But why do you quote a post that is almost 2 years old to support your argument? A lot have changed since 2007.
J_Hughes
03-29-2009, 06:04 PM
Well..
Why does the bible continue to be a best seller?
because it still has truth for today.
Is anything he says less true because of the age of the quote? The OP is brand new to UBNT and Mikrotik, probably could use a bit of sage words from an old veteran of Mikrotik stuffs... not to mention "Dude"....
-Josh
Why does the bible continue to be a best seller?
Guilt comes to mind..... :twisted: :wink:
