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PinkZeppelin
01-26-2009, 03:19 PM
I'm slowly entering the WISP business and working with some property management companies to setup wireless networks for their properties. Currently we set up a few networks with Meraki equipment, but they're becoming too expensive especially when there is other equipment that could be used like Ubiquiti. Basically I'm looking for some pointers based on what I think to be an ideal setup - I've read through a lot of the forum posts, but it doesn't seem that anyone has said much about the setup I am trying:

Complexes serving up to 40 wifi users with a billing system:
Gateway will be setup with a Linksys WRT54GL router flashed with the latest DD-WRT. The linksys WRT54GL is mainly used since it is compatible with Sputnik, Wifi-CPA, and Skyspot.
Which billing system do you think is best out of the 3 listed above?

1-2 Ubiquiti devices - most likely the Nanostation2, would be plugged into the WRT54GL, and serve as the Primary wireless router for the complex.
4-6 Ubiquiti devices - Nanostation2 and Bullet2 would serve as secondary wireless repeaters to cover the rest of the complex.
With this setup, should WDS be used? Will the setup be reliable and quick enough for up to 40 users as long as the internet connection is strong enough or would there be too much latency from the repeater > primary AP > WRT54GL > Modem/Router > Internet?

I currently have a few devices so I am testing, but it's difficult to figure out if the setup will harbor 40 simultaneous users successfully.

If there are more than 40 users, I was thinking of using a MicroTik routerboard or something with a better processor in place of the WRT54GL to better serve the traffic of users. Would that be the best way to go? Any suggestions?

As soon as I could finish my testing, and I am confident with the setup and results, I will setup a property or two, and eventually draw it out, write a guide, and post it for whomever wants to know how it was accomplished. But now is the information gathering step, so the more anyone could share out there, the better.
Thanks. Kind Regards.

PinkZeppelin
02-03-2009, 08:14 AM
Anyone? Any input?
Buehler? Buehler?

tdelta
02-11-2009, 02:32 PM
I'm in the same boat. I set up an IIS server with dnsredirector freeware. I use paypal for payment collection. It took some time and effort, but I despise sharing my profit with hosted hotspot companies.

How are the Nanos working for your complex?

PinkZeppelin
02-11-2009, 02:42 PM
I haven't setup a complex yet with the Nanostations, but I plan to soon enough.

I was hoping to get some input from some people who have tried it, but apparently no one wants to share their opinions.

What do you use for the billing portal that ties with IIS?

WHT
02-11-2009, 05:41 PM
This might help.

http://forum.ubnt.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6929

tdelta
02-11-2009, 07:50 PM
I like to keep everything in-house. Basically it works like this:

dnsredirector sends unauthorized clients to the IIS welcome page where they can create a user account then choose the amount of time they wish to buy. They click the paypal button to complete the transaction. Paypal then sends the payment confirmation back to my IIS server which gets stored in my database along with their user account info. I sell time by the month, so I add 30 days to their purchase date. Every time they log in an IIS script compares the current date to the date of purcase+30. If it is less then they can proceed to go online; otherwise, they are redirected to buy more time.

Currently I'm using self-signed SSLs for security. I don't like this because IE7 and firefox3 give nasty warnings about untrusted certificates. I may have to eventually fork out the cash for verisign or some other trusted cert. In the meantime I'm researching other forms of encryption.

tdelta
02-11-2009, 09:21 PM
If you use WDS or repeater mode each additional Access Point will cut your speed by 50%, which was a big concern for me as well; however, I just got some great advice from rconaway that I hadn't thought of. Use the nano5s to double your throughput! On your first WDS AP you'll be at 54mbps. If a second AP is bridged to the fist AP then you'll be around 20mbps. Also, if you're able to put your router in the most centralized location you can avoid unnecessary hops.

I had concerns about the router handling traffic also. Especially bittorrent traffic. 1 bt user can fillup the NAT table and bog down the router. I was looking into a Cisco small business router for about $200-$250. At least your router has a decent CPU and plenty of memory for NAT. Filtering bt traffic and blocking unneeded ports may help.

pcampbell
02-16-2009, 09:55 AM
You may want to look into a Linux based product called Chillispot. I do not know anything about these billing systems (are those pay products?) ... not sure if chillispot has built in, or 3rd party billing solutions either but we use it at my job to prevent unwanted people surfing our guest network.

http://www.chillispot.info/

fudge
02-18-2009, 01:09 PM
I'd use a dedicated company for the billing, which provides support, etc. I've tried about 10 billing companies and the best was Hotspot System so far. (http://www.hotspotsystem.com)

They pay out up to 80%, and those 20% includes the fees for credit card transactions, and you don't even have to have your own merchant account.

They support multi-location centralized management and router alert for WDS routers too.

And they support is unbelievable. I've never seen a support like that.

rconaway
02-26-2009, 04:44 AM
We have been running our own authentication servers for year, as mentioned in the link WHT showed. I see absolutely no reason to take it outside an operation. If you know how to set up Windows XP or Windows server, Patronsoft FirstSpot is a breeze and it allows you to train someone on it in an hour for tech support. In apartments that want to give out free Internet, it can print cards and set up accounts they can add to tenants so it's still a closed system.

rconaway
02-26-2009, 04:44 AM
We have been running our own authentication servers for year, as mentioned in the link WHT showed. I see absolutely no reason to take it outside an operation. If you know how to set up Windows XP or Windows server, Patronsoft FirstSpot is a breeze and it allows you to train someone on it in an hour for tech support. In apartments that want to give out free Internet, it can print cards and set up accounts they can add to tenants so it's still a closed system.

adhisubagio
03-28-2009, 04:44 PM
i suggest to use easyhotspot, it was powerfull with linux.....good billing management with free radius, chillispot, MySQL, voucher generate both prepaid and post paid, bandwith limiter, all in xubuntu packet distro
here www.easyhotspot.sourceforge.net :P Made In Indonesia

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