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wry-mouth
12-31-2008, 12:40 PM
I'm researching a long-distance wifi setup, and looking for up-to-date info on setup and hardware.
I have a building with DSL internet, visible to a residence on a hill (~500 meters), which is in turn visible to my own residence (~2000 meters). I'd like to relay the internet from the first building to the first residence and then on to the second.
I'm here on a recommendation to use NanoStation 2 and a grid antenna, but don't have the vocabulary or understanding to Google examples of this setup.
What do you recommend? Are there any good write-ups online?
Thanks!
There are many ways you could do it.
The simplest would be a Nanostation Loco in Station WDS mode at the DSL location pointed towards the house on the hill, where you have a Bullet in Station WDS mode connected to an omni antenna. At your house another Nanostation Loco in Station WDS mode picking up a signal from the omni Bullet.
wry-mouth
01-01-2009, 08:07 AM
Is this something I can do myself using the included instructions, or is there some specific radio/antenna knowledge required to tune and configure it?
Can you recommend a specific omni antenna? (GHz, dBi)
Thanks again.
There are many ways you could do it.
The simplest would be a Nanostation Loco in Station WDS mode at the DSL location pointed towards the house on the hill, where you have a Bullet in Station WDS mode connected to an omni antenna. At your house another Nanostation Loco in Station WDS mode picking up a signal from the omni Bullet.
Yeah...its pretty simple. You can do it yourself.
Several places to get antennas, here is a short list.
http://www.pacwireless.com
http://www.l-com.com (formerly Hyperlink Technologies)
http://www.connectronics.com
wry-mouth
01-02-2009, 09:10 AM
Is there any sense in using a NanoStatation2 (instead of Loco) on the two endpoints for the ability to upgrade to directional antennas there? Would that get me better reception/bandwidth, or is it overkill?
Here's a quick sketch of the terrain I'm dealing with:
http://dev.route19.com/terrain.jpg
And more accurate distances: 1.3 km and 2.05 km
Thanks.
Yeah...its pretty simple. You can do it yourself.
Several places to get antennas, here is a short list.
http://www.pacwireless.com
http://www.l-com.com (formerly Hyperlink Technologies)
http://www.connectronics.com
Even with a Bullet and 12 dBi omni on the hill and a Loco 2 KM away, you'll get over a 15 dB fade margin; so there's no need to worry about upgrading to a higher gain antenna to the south.
If you wanted, you could use a Bullet and 22 dBi or so grid at the south location. But that would be overkill.
tatogrc
01-19-2009, 01:37 AM
You can do it yourself...
LordTalcor
01-20-2009, 09:15 PM
I have a question based off of his probelm, I am the same way, I'm techy, and computer literate, but not so literate with wireless. I have a work building, with a residence somewhere between 1/4 - 1/2 mile away. Only minor LOS Issues provided by some trees.
What would be the best setup?
2 - NS2's?
NS2 - Bullet/Grid Antenna?
Also, if it's 2 NS2's. how do you set the AP up? There is a router in the workplace, so do I preset an NS2 as AP (WDS) and then connect it to...say Port 4 (DMZ) on the router?
Some detailed instructions/suggestions please, and if I need to start a new thread, I will be happy to do so....
Sorry for Hijacking your thread wry-mouth.
wry-mouth...
I'm sorry, I thought that I got that plot to ya several weeks ago.
I mapped it out using an omni antenna with a Bullet 5 at the house on the hill to the northwest using 24 Mbps data speed (good for a 10 Mbps DSL connection as you need two times the data speed when used as an omni repeater).
Using the Bullet 5 at with a 22 dBi grid antenna at the DSL point and your place, you'll get better than a 20 dB fade margin all around. Antenna height appears to be a tad critical as a 6 meter height at the DSL point is just fine, but an 8 meter height is not too good. So it might take a little running back and forth to optimize the antenna heights.
wry-mouth #1 is the house on the hill as your repeater.
wry-mouth #2 is the DSL point.
wry-mouth #3 is your place.
http://telecomanddata.com/wry-mouth/DSL_to_repeater.png
http://telecomanddata.com/wry-mouth/repeater_to_house.png
http://telecomanddata.com/wry-mouth/satellite.png http://telecomanddata.com/wry-mouth/topographic.png
LordTalcor...
Not having a real good line of sight may be a problem, so its a try and see situation. Most definitely you'll want as much gain as possible.
As the NS2 is FCC certified for up to a 14 dBi antenna, adding a higher gain antenna isn't a solution.
You may have to look at a Powerstation 2 with internal 18 dBi antenna.
LordTalcor
01-21-2009, 08:13 AM
LordTalcor...
Not having a real good line of sight may be a problem, so its a try and see situation. Most definitely you'll want as much gain as possible.
As the NS2 is FCC certified for up to a 14 dBi antenna, adding a higher gain antenna isn't a solution.
You may have to look at a Powerstation 2 with internal 18 dBi antenna.
Well, the LOS issues with the trees is only minor, as putting the NS2's up on tripod poles on the roofs of both buildings should clear almost all of that. As I said, it's only a 1/4 - 1/2 mile distance.
Also, was my assumption of how u set up the AP correct?
interesting soft on this pistures ...
it's free ?
In case, in shortest link, will be good, loco (better 5Ghz),
this longest nano5
(I have nano5 on 4,5 km link, it's work perfect, and transmit on tests 12/11Mb).
dot...
Its called Radio Mobile and its free
http://www.cplus.org/rmw/english1.html
jcrites2008
03-17-2009, 03:47 PM
WHT,
Do you find those radio mobile links to be accurate as far as the -dBM signal goes? I've set it up for our network, but it seems like the signal on the links I have it draw are not very accurate. For instance, sometimes a -60 dbm link in our network is sometimes shown as -80. Also, I noticed when I raise the antenna up, the link gets stronger for awhile, then gets weaker for awhile and keeps repeating that pattern from like -60 to -80. I assume that has something to do with the Freznel zones, but I'm sure the signal change is much greater on there than it is in real situations.
Right now we just mainly use the link graph to see if it "looks" like the link will work. Also, I've tried to put in values for our antennas and radios, but might have done some things wrong.
Do you have any tips for me on how to make these link graphs more accurate?
Thanks,
Jason
Which of the links in the picture is fluctuating? The 6 meter hights all around should be the optimum height.
Opps....wrong person response. sorry
jcrites2008...
PM me with your coordinates and I'll look over your plot.
jcrites2008
03-17-2009, 04:08 PM
You want me to pm the coordinates of an AP and an example client? If so, I'll play around with one tomorrow to tell you what it shows on my Radio Mobile and maybe compare with yours. Let me know if that's what you're wanting the coordinates to.
Thanks alot!
Jason
yes, compare plots
Can you also post a screenshot of the link so I can see the data.
