nano station 2 new user

[astf11]

I live in a small village in south of france where the maire just offered us a wifi system for broadband ;but my house dont "see" the antenna because of a 25 m high hill and some trees that dont belong to me
I own a barn in the village from which i can catch the signal ,barn that i can :see" from the top of my house : how could i receive the signal in my barn and send it back to my house in a cheap way ( the maire doesnt want to move the main antenna nor to pay for a second one only for me) ?

thanks

[WHT]

How far from your barn in town to your house? I'm thinking your could use a NS2 at the barn pointing to your broadband provider and then a second NS2 or even an NS5 back to back with the NS2 pointing to an NS2 or NS5 at your house. The NS5 would have less interference.

Actually, the new LocoStation would work. The only difference is the LS doesn't have an external antenna jack and its around half the price. The LS5 would have less interference.

You could even use a PowerStation 2 with an external omni antenna at your barn and run it in WDS mode.

[UBNT-Mike.Ford]

Hello,

What WHT says is correct.

Thanks,

Mike

[WHT]

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Mike....Do you have that particular reply as a macro?

[UBNT-Mike.Ford]

Lol pretty much :) Some people only slightly trust an answer till the official repsonse agrees ;)

[astf11]

Hi everyone thank you for answering so quickly
the barn is roughly one km away from my house

Of course i could buy lots of hardware but i was told about some kind of passiv antenna
did anyone of you heard about it ?

thanks a lot

[UBNT-Mike.Ford]

Hello,

I have not tested any of the passive antenna's out there. Some other people have and can chime in on this.

Thanks,

MIke

[WHT]

Snipped from http://ubnt.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3567&highlight=passive

Passive reflector were used by AT&T Long Lines, but they BIG....like 30 by 60 feet! Keep in mind that propagation loss is the inverse fourth, so doubling the distance yields one-sixteenth the signal level, where as a straight shot would only be one-fourth. You would need a flat panel on the order of 6 by 8 feet, not a mere cookie baking sheet.

Cringely claims to have built a dual Yagi passive reflector http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/2002/pulpit_20020207_000721.html, but its efficacy is questioned http://www.oreillynet.com/etel/blog/2002/02/the_essence_of_community_wirel.html, perhaps by the very small aperture of the receiving antenna.

Valmont http://valmont.com/asp/communication/specialty_structures/asp/passive_repeaters.asp has an excellent paper on this, http://valmont.com/asp/communication/specialty_structures/pdf/Catalog161A.pdf.

[TheCowStir]

You could even use a PowerStation 2 with an external omni antenna at your barn and run it in WDS mode.

Or a Bullet directly connected to an Omni once they are released and available.

This solution would probably cost about:
$50 Bullet (estimate including shipping)
$65 for 7 - 10 DBi Omni
$15 for mounting hardware (or if you have some spare rigid pipes, no cost)
$20 for power supply (apparently the Bullet doesn't come with one)
+ cable ends etc.

So for roughly $150 you could have this working. Say that's about how much I paid for my first linksys wireless router/firewall device 7 or 8 years ago...

Hope this helps.

TheCowStir

[astf11]

HI
Wouldn t the nano sma connector feed a good antenna and this signal be received with other antenna or ubiquity s bullet2 ?

[UBNT-Mike.Ford]

Hello Astf11,

Using a NanoStation with an external antenna will connect to a Bullet without issue.

Thanks

Mike

[astf11]

hi
no issue?
lets put it another way:what is the use of the rma connector at the base of nano2 ?
what should i eventually plug in there to resend the signals from the village to my house (known that i feed the nano with main through the ppoe device or with a solar panelled battery) ?

sorry but i dont know how to post a simple drawing to explain better)

[astf11]

Or shouli first resend the signal from ubiquity based provider to my house through a "router- wireless bridge- high gain device -with antennas placed on the barn in the village and then receive that signal by mean of that nano2
Perhaps i could sell back the nano2 and manage in a totally diferent way with other devices ??

[WHT]

The Nanostation has an SMA connector such that you can connect an external antenna to the NS. You selct the antenna via the web GUI.

Up to last summer, the NS had SMA connectors and about that time, they started production with the Rev SMA connector. However some users are reporting they are getting one or the other, or both in a batch of antennas. The only way to be sure (until all the dealers exhaust their supply of pre-last summer production run radios) is to wait until you get your radio and look at it.

Your village WiFi ~> barn NS2 -> barn NS2 (on a diff. channel) or NS5 ~> house NS2 or NS5

Barn NS2 can use the internal 10 dBi antenna.
Barn NS2/5 can use the internal antenna.
House NS2/5 can use the internal antenna.

Barn NS2 can use the internal 10 dBi antenna.
Barn NS2 can use an external antenna at least 19 dBi to be worth the effort.
House NS2 can an external antenna at least 19 dBi to be worth the effort.

Barn NS2 can use the internal 10 dBi antenna.
Barn NS2/5 can use an external antenna at least 24 dBi to be worth the effort.
House NS2.5 can an external antenna at least 24 dBi to be worth the effort.

The 19 dBi and 24 dBi antennas recommendation is based on the internal 3 dB and 5 dB loss of the NS2 and NS5 internal connector losses when using an external antenna.

In other words, replacing the internal NS2 10 dBi antenna with an external 13 dBi antenna gains you nothing. If you used a 16 dBi external antenna, you've only doubled your gain and that's not going to make much difference and not worth the effort. If you use a 19 dBi antenna, you've quadrupled your gain and that is worth the difference.

Or shouli first resend the signal from ubiquity based provider to my house through a "router- wireless bridge- high gain device
No, any such device would most likely be a consumer grade device and not near as good as a NS.

[guidonet]

PS2 or 19 dB external antennas to cover 1Km? Are you shure that there is WDS in the village´s wifi.
I do not agree at all.
We have clients at 7 km with NS5 without no problem of connection.
You just need 2 NS5/2 (or LOCO if you find) to make a point to point link, using the equipment client of your ISP to receive the signal from the village (if they don´t give you anything, just buy the cheapest one), being considered that is indispensable to have direct vision between both points.
I suppose that in the planet Texas Ubiquiti has some special promotion for his clients, since the cost of the equipment does not seem to be a problem.
We bought 20 NS every weeks and we must pay to US$ 110 by each one and US$ 250 by each PS.

[WHT]

We have clients at 7 km with NS5 without no problem of connection.

We had a two Loco 5 set up a few days ago for testing, both straight out in the same compass direction. One was about 3/4 mile (12 KM) and another 2 miles (3.2 KM). The 2 mile one lost the signal in what might have been the worst fade conditions I've ever seen.

If we go with the Loco 5, we'll keep it for clients under a mile and use the Bullet for the rest.

[guidonet]

WHT, 1 mile is something as well as 1.6 km… reason why still under your exigencies would be within the recommendable values… and would cost less of the third part of the solution with PS

[WHT]

My bad..that was a typo.

We had a two Loco 5 set up a few days ago for testing, both straight out in the same compass direction.
One was about 3/4 mile (1.2 KM) and another 2 miles (3.2 KM). The 2 mile one lost the signal in what might have been the worst fade conditions I've ever seen.

and would cost less of the third part of the solution with PS

$170 Powerstations would be too expensive compared to a $49 Bullet and $45 23 dBi grid ($94).

[skycom]

I have 5 Nanostation 2 units and I wish to cover a Rv / Trailer park 1000' x 1500'. One of the units will have internet DSL and the unit will be located near the center of the park. I am throughly confused after reading all the posts about NS2 units. So what I need to find out is how I should program the units to act as repeaters? I need to add security so each user will have a password to access. Also will these units interfer with each other with them all operating at the same time on the same channel?

[guidonet]

OK...WHT... you win... is your money or may be astf11 time and money.
..."how could i receive the signal in my barn and send it back to my house in a cheap way..."

You got a lot of other powerful solutions by MTK, Alvarion, Cisco, etc. but is not the easy way or the cheapest... spend more money don´t mean best and in the real world is easier to built a link with 2 NS/LOCO than others solutions ( align too )
You win... :-)

[guidonet]

skycom set all units in AP WDS mode, link their MACs setting the rest of them on each unit. Then, if you don´t want to spend more money, put all the units in poles surrounding the park aligned to the center.... if you got a little bit of money, buy an 12dB omni for the center unit and surround the park with others but link them only with the MAC of central unit. In central register all others MACs
AP WDS - same SSID - same channel - Bridge mode - "different IP"

[astf11]

Hi !!
From what i understood:
i should place my nano2 to catch the signal at my barn.....place another one to send that signal to my house and have a third one to receive and plug that last one in my portable computer....is that right ?

[WHT]

That's correct.

[skycom]

skycom set all units in AP WDS mode, link their MACs setting the rest of them on each unit. Then, if you don´t want to spend more money, put all the units in poles surrounding the park aligned to the center.... if you got a little bit of money, buy an 12dB omni for the center unit and surround the park with others but link them only with the MAC of central unit. In central register all others MACs
AP WDS - same SSID - same channel - Bridge mode - "different IP"

Boy am I cofused now, My center unit works with good conectivity, but the other units show power but no connectivity. What does "link their MACs" mean? Also "different IP"? If they all have the same ssid, then you can't tell which one you are connecting to? Skycom

[guidonet]

What does "link their MACs" mean?
You must copy the central´s AP MAC address on each remote AP and copy all remote´s AP MAC address on central AP. You can do this in Link Setup Tab in WDS Peers boxes

Also "different IP"?
Of course.... you are in the same NET. You can´t use same... and you need this to remote different units.

If they all have the same ssid, then you can't tell which one you are connecting to?
Just the OS in laptop decide this picking the best one... you don´t need to worry about this.

[skycom]

What does "link their MACs" mean?
You must copy the central´s AP MAC address on each remote AP and copy all remote´s AP MAC address on central AP. You can do this in Link Setup Tab in WDS Peers boxes

Also "different IP"?
Of course.... you are in the same NET. You can´t use same... and you need this to remote different units.

If they all have the same ssid, then you can't tell which one you are connecting to?
Just the OS in laptop decide this picking the best one... you don´t need to worry about this.

Well, I still have NO connectivity when setting up the system, The main center unit works great, but as soon as I plug in the power on one of the repeaters the signal shows strong power but no connectivity. I have the center unit set as I was told,----

In central register all others MACs
AP WDS - same SSID - same channel - Bridge mode - "different IP"

[guidonet]

Skycom, email me your central AP saved file and one slave AP file too. I´ll try to find what´s wrong. If you can.... be sure to select Wlan MAC in your peers, because I can´t find those kind of mistakes.

[skycom]

Skycom, email me your central AP saved file and one slave AP file too. I´ll try to find what´s wrong. If you can.... be sure to select Wlan MAC in your peers, because I can´t find those kind of mistakes.

How do I did that? If I make a copy of my NS2 setup, I can send it to an email address but not to this forum. It would be so easy with a voice call. I guess I will try the distributor. they actually have a phone.

[guidonet]

Just click on the e mail icon at the end of this post

[skycom]

Well!! A lot could be said for " KISS ", but it probably has already been said. It sure does help to put the Colons in the mac address small wonder , anyway THANK YOU , Mucho Grasis, ---- George (skycom)