900MHz Powerstation

[natemclain]

When will we see a 900MHz powerstation?
I would love to get my hands on a couple test units if you wanna use me as a beta tester!

N

[jcremin]

I see there was no reply and I'd like to know the same thing.

[rewists]

curious myself it would be nice

maybe if enough people shoe interest someone might answer

[bkent]

Add me to the list... PowerStation 9 is what I want.

[slipstream1]

Sign me up for a $159.00 900 mhz cpe.

[rewists]

no answer??

[UBNT-Robert]

OK guys -- you win. We'll start working on it.

What is the practical price point you need to see?

What antenna do you want? Integrated panel or connector for use with Yagi?


Robert

[EricWeige]

how about both, like the Moto Canopy gear? S/W switchable the whole 9 yards.

[jcremin]

It would be nice to at least match the Rootenna's 12dbi. I honestly don't see as much need for a conectorized version since I'd probably just use a Routerboard at that point, but if the price were right, it would be something to consider.

I'd love to see an integrated antenna version that can keep me under the $199 price point. The $160 mentioned earlier would be pretty nice!

Joe

[EricWeige]

that's the biggest problem with 900mhz, price! If it could have the same type of antenna technology as the PS2 (POL) that could be useful. I think the market would love something like that. And you're right 12dbi, like the roo would be plenty as the UBNT devices have tons of power.

[slipstream1]

Dual antenna polarity and $199.00 price point. Also a external connector would be useful.

[john.spainhower]

Definitely dual polarity with integrated antenna and connectorized. Ideally under 200 bucks would make it very cost effective to deploy

[jcremin]

Hey Mike,
Any word on if these will be/are being produced? It would be very cool!

[UBNT-Mike.Ford]

Hey Jcremin,

We are working on it, but dont have a timeframe. Give us some time :) and we will get it out.

Thanks,

Mike

[pixitha]

*cough*

https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/ViewExhibitReport.cfm?mode=Exhibits&RequestTimeout=500&calledFromFrame=N&application_id=486597&fcc_id='SWX-LS9'

or

http://tinyurl.com/3ajz23

[Headbang]

If you build it, I will deploy it.
Lack of reasonable 900Mhz CPE equipment is the only reason I have not deployed 900Mhz in my forested area (cheaper to build lots of towers and repeaters using 2.4Ghz). What sets us apart from the "other" (an evil nation wide wireless comapny that acts like an evil telcom Co) is our refusal to use Motorola anything.

[UBNT-Mike.Ford]

Hey Guys,

We are working on it as fast as we can. :)

Thanks,

Mike

[lunchboxrts]

Sign me up! A PS9 would solve so many problems! :D

[bgoksel]

Cnx my Reply.. :oops:

[lunchboxrts]

Bump!

Still wishing for a PS9! :D

[UBNT-Mike.Ford]

Were still working it ;) Its looking good so far.

Thanks,

Mike

[jcremin]

I don't expect you have any solid info you can give out yet, but it would be cool if you have any idea on:

1) the MSRP

2) the antenna gain/polarization options

3) XR9/SR9 support

4) guesses on the ETA

Even if all you can say is "within a few months", "later this summer", or "next year" it would be nice to know for planning purposes!

Thanks,
Joe

[RadeusCQ]

Count me in on the 900 mhz power station. We really need those for rural and areas with greater foliage. This would really help.

Thanks!

[mstephens]

A PS9.... count me in too! We are receiving lots of compliments on the design and performance of the PS2. A PS9 would be awesome!

[slipstream1]

It would also be nice if it would do the quarter and half channel spacing like Mikrotik does. I know this has been covered, but is this a possibility?

[expert007]

Can we get one next week Dad?? Huh? Huh?? Pleeeese!!!!!!! :D

I'm definitely interested though...will keep an eye out.

Thanks!

[ozziffied]

I am deffinatly game for one or one dozen whatever you come out with first! Sign me up and let me know when they come out! I would love to be a beta tester or put money down now on a bunch of them! The Ubiquiti equipment that I have been testing with is great and a 900mHz unit would be flawless!

[WiFi45]

a 900mhz unit under $199 would double our subscribers in East Texas.
Sign us up. :D

[lunchboxrts]

How about a connectorized version in the same form factor, dont worry about an internal antenna. We would prefer to use a yagi for 900mhz anyways. Also versions for SR9 and XR9.

BUMP :D

[Magic]

very interesting. so how is this coming along? we would really like to get our hands on some of these

[dlisman]

Has anyone ever got an answer to if the PS9 will work with the SR9, XR9 or both? Also any ETA????

[ozziffied]

Ubnt-Mike was just asking for testers for the 900mhz powerstation and one of the requirements was that they had to have xr9 and sr9 deployed I would say yes they will work (hopefully) and they are in the testing phase right now!

[UBNT-Mike.Ford]

Hey Guys,

PowerStation 9 is strictly based off of XR9 technology.

Thank you,

Mike

[Frotihngdog.ca]

So with the PS9 it operates as 2.4 but is down converted just like the XR9?

[UBNT-Mike.Ford]

Hello Frotihngdog.ca,

Yes this is correct.

Thank you,

Mike

[gmeden]

From the date posted these were submitted in late 2006...so..exactly how long does it take to get this on the market? What issues remain for its release?

[paulchops]

Where is the table at that shows how the Frequencies translate on XR9 to the 2.4 that shows up in Mikrotik?

Why is it done that way? Seems kinda "cheezy"

Paul

[lunchboxrts]

Where is the table at that shows how the Frequencies translate on XR9 to the 2.4 that shows up in Mikrotik?

Why is it done that way? Seems kinda "cheezy"

Paul

Wrong location for this post.

Its not really "cheezy" its actually a very good idea. Its called frequency freedom. It allows UBNT to use any frequency they want while still supporting current firmware, OS's, Hardware, etc.

Here is the XR9 Chart

4(2427) 907Mhz 5/10Mhz
5(2432) 912Mhz 5/10/20Mhz
6(2437) 917Mhz 5/10/20Mhz
7(2442) 922Mhz 5/10Mhz

[UBNT-Mike.Ford]

Hey Guys,

Lunch is absolutely correct. If we did not do this, we would have to wait for every software manufacturer to change there software, and god knows how long that would take. This way any software that supports the standard 802.11a or B/G we can use to make whatever frequecny we like.

Thanks,

Mike

[nexus010]

I have recently been having a lot of success with the Adaptive Antenna setting in my Nanostation 2's and 5's and PS2's. From the standpoint of a Wisp with customers for over 2 years some of the results are miraculous
I have several nlos clients behind over 300 feet of rain drenched dense foilage showing -70 dbm being fed from 3 miles away across the Ottawa river! I will rave about this later in another post.

I'm really hoping that your going to be able to integrate an adaptive array in the PS9 and push the nlos envelope to new levels.
We all know you run a tight ship but any news on features and targeted release dates ?
Oh and a word of advice, make lots of them !
Cheers !

[paulchops]

Here is the XR9 Chart

4(2427) 907Mhz 5/10Mhz
5(2432) 912Mhz 5/10/20Mhz
6(2437) 917Mhz 5/10/20Mhz
7(2442) 922Mhz 5/10Mhz

OK, I get it. So, when I set my radios to 2412, what frequency is it really using?

thats what I set my PTP short link to. And, what happens if I use any other frequency option not listed here?

Paul

[UBNT-Mike.Ford]

Hello Paul,

If you use frequencies not listed you will kill your signal do the the RF filtering of these cards.

Thank you,

Mike

[dalenorman2005]

would a ps9 be appropriate for use inside a multi-storey building, where the purpose was to penetrate floor-to-floor? My intention is to provide service between floor without pulling ethernet cabling.

off-the-shelf 2.4ghz wifi gear tends to travel about 2 storeys using stock 2db omni antennas. i know this is comparing apples to oranges, but anyone care to speculate on how many storeys a ps9 with integrated directional antenna ought to penetrate?

[hotmot73]

Hi.

Add me to the list. :D

It He seems to be to me interesting PS9.

If they want to use beta tester spend me price for 2 units it would prove it in an environment nLOS with buildings and difference of height between recipient and issuer.

thanks.

I ask to forgive for my English one

[dlisman]

Has anyone ever got a firm release date yet?

[UBNT-Mike.Ford]

Hey Guys,

We still do not have an solid timeframes.

Thank you,

Mike

[jcremin]

Has anyone ever got a firm release date yet?

No, they are still working on it. Quite a few software issues right now and possibly a few hardware ones too.. With some time they'll get it all worked out I'm sure...

[lunchboxrts]

Bump

No rush... Well maybe a little :D

Just checking to see if there is anymore news

[PSM207]

A connectorized 900 similar in performance to the Motorola Canopy would be great.

[UBNT-Mike.Ford]

Hey Guys,

I hate to say that I still do not have an updated ETA on this.

Thanks,

Mike

[MaximumISP]

Does that mean there is no EA on the LSX either :cry:

[UBNT-Mike.Ford]

As far as I know that one should be soon. Ill check into LSX for ya.

Thanks,

Mike

[lunchboxrts]

Will all the new release's just keeping this fresh in UBNT's mind. :D

BUMP

[lunchboxrts]

BUMP

[UBNT-Mike.Ford]

Hey Guys,

Still no update :(

Thanks,

Mike

[Frotihngdog.ca]

Is it gonna be out this year at least?

[UBNT-Mike.Ford]

Nope :(

[slithral]

can anyone at ubiquiti networks vouch that this'll EVER come out?

this is unfortunate ...

[jcremin]

It has been months and months since I have gotten a new firmware version for the test unit I have, so I am guessing that development is pretty much on hold. Maybe the demand is just too low for them to pursue it right now. Either way, no PS9 anytime in the near future.

Joe

[rconaway]

I'm guessing it's on hold until the HP units come out which isn't for a few more weeks. If you need a 900MHz unit now, look at OSBridge or some other manufacturer. I have had good luck with the OSBridge units.

[jonice]

rconaway,
Wonder if you could clear up a few Questions on the OSBridge Equipment.

What Version of OSBridge your using ?
SR9 or XR9.

Also are you using Bandpass Filters ?

Are you using this in a PTMP situation or PTP ?

How many Clients do you have on your OSBridge?

What Reseller are you using ? (I have only found 1 US Reseller.)

Thanks for any input you can give.
Later
John
USA Choice Internet

[rconaway]

1) We have XR9's and SR9's.

2) We are not using bandpass filters although I would if I was having problems.

3) All of mine are PTP.

4) Just a few clients. We are running 5 and 10MHz channels.

5) www.Highgainantennas.com. Good guy, good support.

[jonice]

Thanks for the Info
I think I'm leaning toward the XR9 version and I will probably put a bandpass filter on it also.
Horizontal Polarity probably 2 90deg sectors.
I am going to be doing a MPTP Neighborhood.
Anyways Thanks Again
Later
John

[slithral]

13,000 people have visited this thread ... if half of that is PEOPLE visiting once I'm sure that some have it as their "home page" ... that there is enough of a want/need for this.

[WHT]

Good observation. It would be interesting to graph how many people view all the new threads compared to problems specific to them topics.

[rconaway]

If so many people are reading this then it's probably a good idea to maybe clarify why Ubiquti isn't jumping on this.

We work in 900MHz with SCADA and some high-end 900MHz equipment like GE-MDS Mercury radios. This isn't the easiest envinronment to deal with in any populated area because there is already so many high power systems running. For example, we had a situation where a 900MHz SCADA radio on a traffic light couldn't stay connected to a radio across the street because the noise level was so high. The noise floor was about -65dBm.

The other problem with 900MHz and SCADA is that those systems are frequency hopping to get the higher power capability of 1W. They also typcally utilize a very narrow channel. If they hop less than 50 channels or are not frequency hopping, I believe they are limited to 250mw but I could be wrong on that. FHSS systems will wreak havoc on a band. I will tell you that engineering firms get big bucks to make sure that the 902-928 systems work which typically involve spectrum analyzers, lots of driving, rf and geographic path analysis, and engineering reports.
There are other interference issues like the types of modulation used, multipathing, etc...

In addition to all that, the band is only 22MHz wide. Assuming zero interference (which is impossible in my world), you only have one 20MHz channel versus 3 in 2.4GH.

Because of the issues, 900MHz isn't the best option for the majority of deployments hence the fact that 900MHz is getting lowest priority for Ubiquti.

[UBNT-Mike.Ford]

Hey Guys,

Ill update with more info as soon as i get it.

Thanks,

Mike

[lunchboxrts]

Bump

[UBNT-Mike.Ford]

Still don't have a time frame.

I do apologize.

Thanks,


Mike

[CDX825]

I'm interested! Only company I know of making a decent priced reliable 900Mhz unit right now is Tranzeo. But $350 a pop hurts!


BTW got my shirt today and its awesome!

[rconaway]

www.highgainantennas.com has some product. We have a couple of PTP links up and they seem to be doing well. We had some trouble with others though. You can order it with the XR or SR cards.

[lunchboxrts]

TTT

[UBNT-Mike.Ford]

Nadda yet....sorry.

Mike

[rodneal]

*cough*

https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/ViewExhibitReport.cfm?mode=Exhibits&RequestTimeout=500&calledFromFrame=N&application_id=486597&fcc_id='SWX-LS9'

or

http://tinyurl.com/3ajz23


Hey Pix,
That was too funny - great post.
I'm jonesin' for this! XR9 format - right?? Mike??

and I'll have a 700 on the side :wink: !!!!

Thank you,
Rod

[UBNT-Mike.Ford]

Lol you guys crack me up. That is from 2007. That is not happening.

:)

Mike

[samcamfilms]

Ha ha!

Yeah count me in for anything for testing,

PS9/NS9 is just what i need!

Ha ha Mike having to tell everyone that theirs no ETA

[Airwave]

Need a HP 900 MHZ PS9 solution. Featuring same antenna as PS2 diversity plus external antenna port option.

[UBNT-Mike.Ford]

Hello,

We are still working on this, but it is not a top priority due to other projects and limited resources. We do not have a timeframe for release, because we in fact do not have a time frame for release as stated many times before. I will update the status when I have more information to provide, but all I can say is that we are indeed working on it.

Thank you,

Mike

[Frotihngdog.ca]

Has anyone used the UBIQUITI CAVITY FILTER for 900Mhz?

[ozcomp]

well I had to post here. I have been checking this thread forever and keep hearing about how it's in the works. I see all this other equipment coming out that really does not help much in rural areas. We need a reasonably priced 900 cpe solutition to work with the xr9 card. well there is my vote. :twisted:

ozcomp

[J_Hughes]

yeah- dono who's doing your feasibility/ profitability projections but they need to look at XR9 / SR9 sales - for every 1 XR9 being bought for AP purposes, 10 are for client CPE's -
A PS9 unit would sell like hotcakes

BUMP!

Thanks,

Josh

[CDX825]

My opinion on the subject is most WISP's are located in rural areas. In rural areas 900Mhz is more favorable than 2.4 or 5.8! Should be higher up on the priorities list I would think. :roll:

[bobcopro]

I like the 2.4 PS2 due to its performance and the flexibility of the 2.4 (I can deploy it as a bridge or customer AP) and save money on what I stock.

That being said, I would replace all 12 of my bridge units with a 900Mhz in a heartbeat (provided they were under $200.) The 900's would work so much better for my terrain.

I know other manufacturers make them, but I like to stick with the UBNT as keeping the same interface with hundreds deployed saves my old brain a lot of work. I like the quality and functionality of the ubiquiti for the money.

One off subject comment. Any thoughts about changing the mounting bracket arrangement? They work well and all, but are a real PITA to assemble 60' in the air on a tower. Even when you can slip them over the pole, having to use a wrench to tighten them (as oppossed to my 10.2v impact) gets old fast at 35 degrees.[/u]

[jcrites2008]

Well, most of Ubiquiti's new products have been out for awhile now. We know they're working Airview5 and Bullet5HP. Other than that, everything else has been out for awhile so hopefully this PS9 will get rolling again.

[drewlsvern]

Anymore recent news on the PS9?

[UBNT-Mike.Ford]

Nothing yet.

Sorry.

Thanks,

Mike

[penypinch]

How about a 900 bullet?

[UBNT-Mike.Ford]

How about a 900 bullet?

Hello,

We have no plans for a 900Mhz bullet.

Thanks,

Mike

[lunchboxrts]

BUMP

Still Hoping :lol:

[jcooney10311]

Let me add my voice to the chorus. I am installing LOTS of 900 MHz clients and it's getting really old having to assemble them myself. I'm using an XR9 at the AP in a Mikrotik RB433 AH and XR9s in RB411s at the client. I could install a lot more clients if I didn't have to put the CPE boxes together myself.

No, I don't trust my wife to do it.

As for price, $200.00 is a pivot point for my customers. Under $200 is acceptable, but $201 causes them to think hard about it.

[Frotihngdog.ca]

AirMax is nice, but 900Mhz stuff would be more helpful.

5.7 and 2.4 is so noisey here we can barely get the UNBT gear to work.

[drewlsvern]

AirMax is nice, but 900Mhz stuff would be more helpful.

5.7 and 2.4 is so noisey here we can barely get the UNBT gear to work.

Yeah, I totally agree.. I know we're always bugging ya on this Mike, but is there any news? Are you guys still planning on pursuing this ps9?

[UBNT-Mike.Ford]

Yeah, I totally agree.. I know we're always bugging ya on this Mike, but is there any news? Are you guys still planning on pursuing this ps9?


Hey Guys,

We will have a 900Mhz CPE, Q2 2010 based on the 11n chipset.

Thanks,

Mike

[Piniongear]

Hey Guys,

We will have a 900Mhz CPE, Q2 2010 based on the 11n chipset.

Thanks,

Mike

Good news! :ubnt_banana:Gonna be able to stock it? I'll settle for less options if we can get them

[jcrites2008]

Mike,

This is great news! Will you have a new 900 MHz card coming out as well then?

Thanks,

Jason

[konceptio]

Hey Guys,

We will have a 900Mhz CPE, Q2 2010 based on the 11n chipset.

Thanks,

Mike

Some demos will be shipped ?

[panamasteve]

Hey Guys,

We will have a 900Mhz CPE, Q2 2010 based on the 11n chipset.

Thanks,

Mike
Does that mean a 900mHz AP with Airmax/polling? Maybe GPS? Say goodbye to Canopy 900? Holy cow!

[UBNT-Mike.Ford]

Does that mean a 900mHz AP with Airmax/polling? Maybe GPS? Say goodbye to Canopy 900? Holy cow!


Hey Steve,

Yes it will have AirMax :)

Mike

[meno]

but it will support with so less analog bandwidth???

[rconaway]

What is the maximum power going to be? If it's 36dBm, is it going to be frequency hopping?

[UBNT-Mike.Ford]

What is the maximum power going to be? If it's 36dBm, is it going to be frequency hopping?


Hey guys,

I will release more info as I get it.

Thanks,

Mike

[rconaway]

You're no fun!!!!

[ljenkins]

I think for it to be legal on 36 it has to hop. 22 or 23 is the limit without it.

[rconaway]

At that level, it's almost useless. You are talking about ranges in terms of feet, not miles.

[jcrites2008]

Will there be a new XR card for this or rockets? I'm assuming the XR9 won't work with this as it did for your previous PS9 units, so something will have to take its place as the AP.

[wispwest]

My opinion on the subject is most WISP's are located in rural areas. In rural areas 900Mhz is more favorable than 2.4 or 5.8! Should be higher up on the priorities list I would think. :roll:

Actually that is incorrect at our standpoint. We have over 2,300 clients in rural area's, and 900Mhz has been the worst move we have ever made.

1) There are only (3) non-overlapping channels 906,915,924
2) Throughput is crap, Canopy Radios only have 4Mbps aggregrate, or 3down/1up per AP
3) Interference. Seems like no matter where you are now days, there is always 900Mhz interference. I've dealt with 900Mhz systems for 2 years and its been absolute horrible. I find us switching customers back to 2.4Ghz and 5.8Ghz all the time now, due to problems with 900. 900Mhz will travel a LONG ways, and being non-line-of-site, interference will bleed in everywhere, even in rural areas. There was a tractor place that has a HUGE 900 Mhz omni around here, not to mention SCATA from all the power companies to pull readings from homes, etc. It is absolute horrible, and we are in Montana, dealing with small towns and rural country areas.

Then again, if Ubiquiti makes a 900Mhz product with "Compliance Test" available, that would be sweet, if you can get away with it..

[cameron]

Here In australia we only have a 5mhz channel to play with at 900mhz :(

[rconaway]

900MHz is a tough band due to crowding, including SCADA. Scada also uses very narrow channels from 6.25KHz up to 1.75MHz. In addition to being 1 watt of power, it's frequency hopping.

900MHz is only good if you can keep your channels very narrow, less than 2MHz. Of course, in some areas, you have no choice.

One of the 900MHz products we deal with is top of the line (meaning $2500 and up per radio) with integrated GPS, variable power, etc... and it only guarantees 1MHz in a mobile environment and 2Mbps if you have a perfect fixed location environment.

[jcremin]

Actually that is incorrect at our standpoint. We have over 2,300 clients in rural area's, and 900Mhz has been the worst move we have ever made.

While 900mhz isn't for everyone, without it, I'd have almost no customers. We have too many trees and not enough high areas where I am at... 2,300 customers would be 33% of our whole county, so we don't have the population density to put up a 2.4ghz/5ghz tower every mile or only focus on the populated areas.

We NEED the non-line of sight that 900mhz provides. Yes, it's frustrating and I'm constantly dealing with the interference too, but without it, I wouldn't even have a business anymore.

Here's for hoping that White Space devices actually get developed and live up to the hype.

Joe

[jcrites2008]

Mike,

Can you find out if this is still on track for Q2 this year? We'd like to deploy a 900 site, but we'd like to wait until you come out with 900 gear.

Thanks,

Jason

[Skaught]

I have deployed 900mhz in the past on Waverider and the tiny band available made 900mhz silly for any real deployments. It cool to play with but really just a toy.

I have enough trouble finding enough channels at 5ghz, some of my sites have over a dozen sectors and another dozen point to points on them. Fine for a little 100 user toy network, but of no use at all for anything bigger.

What i need is a 4x4 mimo product with a gigabit eth port. A rocket M is not fast enough for me when I am pushing 120mbit of traffic in one direction. I am having to put in multiple rocket M to handle the load as the eth is too slow.

[UBNT-Mike.Ford]

Mike,

Can you find out if this is still on track for Q2 this year? We'd like to deploy a 900 site, but we'd like to wait until you come out with 900 gear.

Thanks,

Jason

Hello,

Yes we are still on track for this year.

Thanks,

Mike

[jcrites2008]

I have deployed 900mhz in the past on Waverider and the tiny band available made 900mhz silly for any real deployments. It cool to play with but really just a toy.

I have enough trouble finding enough channels at 5ghz, some of my sites have over a dozen sectors and another dozen point to points on them. Fine for a little 100 user toy network, but of no use at all for anything bigger.

What i need is a 4x4 mimo product with a gigabit eth port. A rocket M is not fast enough for me when I am pushing 120mbit of traffic in one direction. I am having to put in multiple rocket M to handle the load as the eth is too slow.

Well some of us don't have as big of a network as you do :)

[ferret2]

Any change in ETA?

[dslmonkey]

I posted this in another thread:

Well I see some of the 900MHz stuff is already hitting the FCC's website

FCC ID SWX-LS9
https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/ViewExhibitReport.cfm?mode=Exhibits&RequestTimeout=500&calledFromFrame=N&application_id=486597&fcc_id=%27SWX-LS9%27

[jcrites2008]

I posted this in another thread:

Well I see some of the 900MHz stuff is already hitting the FCC's website

FCC ID SWX-LS9
https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/ViewExhibitReport.cfm?mode=Exhibits&RequestTimeout=500&calledFromFrame=N&application_id=486597&fcc_id=%27SWX-LS9%27

Umm that is the old stuff they were working on from 2007. They've ditched that for the new airmax design.

[ozzielad]

I thought these products would be released half way thru this year, that is what the earlier posts said. Will that happen Mike or will they be later this year as you said any chance on a ETA. Just have a use for 900 Mhz

Cheers

[UBNT-Mike.Ford]

I thought these products would be released half way thru this year, that is what the earlier posts said. Will that happen Mike or will they be later this year as you said any chance on a ETA. Just have a use for 900 Mhz

Cheers

Hello,

They will be next month.

Thanks,

Mike