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AeroWRX
03-05-2010, 10:50 PM
I want to transmit a video feed from a 2 megapixel CCD camera to a laptop from 300 meters away. The camera has a gigabit ethernet output therefore I need a Wifi connection that takes in 803.2 which operates at around 240Mbps. To get any decent video I found Ubiquiti products which operate at the 100-150 Mbps range.

Can anyone recommend any solutions for me? Is there an Ubiquiti accesspoint of some sort that can transmit the data to a Ubiquiti patch antenna receiver? etc.

I need high data transfer, rather not any of the rated 50km+ range Ubiquiti solutions correct?

Dave-D
03-06-2010, 08:32 AM
For high data transfer, you need one
of the 2X2 MIMO 'M' series radios.
Because they are all essentially the
same radio with different rf sections,
antennas (and sometimes memory),
you can use any of them.

I think I'd choose AirGrid, but you could
use NanoStation M or even NanoBridge. Dave


PS: of course you need to turn the rf
output down close to the minumum.

rakpatel
03-07-2010, 06:55 PM
PS: of course you need to turn the rf
output down close to the minumum.

Why this Dave? Is it increase Latency and decrease Throughput ?

WHT
03-07-2010, 07:02 PM
Is it increase Latency and decrease Throughput ?You'll overload the receiver's front end. Adjust your transmitter power such that you get between -50 and -60 at the remote end.

rakpatel
03-07-2010, 07:27 PM
WHT

We notice that, now all set between -50 to -60 for Rocket M5 PTP Link, Airmax on, NoACKOff, AutoACK ON, DataRate Auto, AP-WDS, STA-WDS we are not getting good result on test with iPerf iPerf -s and iPerf -c xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx what I was expecting atleast above 70 or 80 MB but only shows 24 sometimes 22 MB .... when these same computer connected through switch same commands shows 94.6 MB we are expecting little lesser than that with this link

AeroWRX
03-08-2010, 09:18 PM
For high data transfer, you need one
of the 2X2 MIMO 'M' series radios.
Because they are all essentially the
same radio with different rf sections,
antennas (and sometimes memory),
you can use any of them.

I think I'd choose AirGrid, but you could
use NanoStation M or even NanoBridge. Dave


PS: of course you need to turn the rf
output down close to the minumum.


Thanks for the suggestions Dave. Can you tell me what's the main difference between the AirGrid, Nanostation M, and NanoBridge? Are these all "plug, install drivers and play?" My extent of Wifi knowledge is just to setting up a home Linksys router and loading it up with dd-wrt :ubnt_banana:

Dave-D
03-08-2010, 09:22 PM
Oddly enough, these radios are very similar.
The difference is in packaging, antenna and
therefore beamwidth. Again, you could use
any of them for this application. Take a look
at their data sheets for the details.

And again: I'd use NanoBridge if you can wait.

Please understand: these are not PC software-
based devices (as USB or internal radios are).
They have a Web-based GUI for setup, but
they require no PC drivers; they don't rely on PC.

Take a look in the WIKI for the AirOS manual;
that shows screen-shots for most setup items. Dave

AeroWRX
03-08-2010, 09:24 PM
I forgot to add that the camera is going on a small rc aircraft for aerial photography. so the TX end needs to be small and light weight.

When is the Nano bridge coming out?

Dave-D
03-08-2010, 09:26 PM
Huh? These radios aren't miniature. Take
a look at the data sheets in the product
section. RC usually means a few ounces. Dave

WHT
03-08-2010, 09:31 PM
I forgot to add that the camera is going on a small rc aircraft for aerial photography. so the TX end needs to be small and light weight.
Oh........

That changes everything. I'd take a Bullet M2 out of the plastic case. Might even want to pull off the heavy N connector and use a small SMA connector. Hang a dual polarization 6 dBi mni antenna.

Dave-D
03-08-2010, 09:35 PM
Nice concept, WHT; I never thought of stripping
a Bullet like that. But how would you connect a
dual-pol antenna to a Bullet? Dave

AeroWRX
03-08-2010, 09:39 PM
Huh? These radios aren't miniature. Take
a look at the data sheets in the product
section. RC usually means a few ounces. Dave

Yea sorry about that. That was a pretty important fact that i left out. I assumed the 2x2 Mimo stations can be used on the RX end next to the laptop ground station.

So the Bullet M products are based off the AirOS web GUI as well according to the Wiki?

I've always been a bit confused as to what a Ubiquiti Bullet really is. I have to buy a random antenna and attach it on using SMA connectors... is it some kind of amplifier for the antenna?

Dave-D
03-08-2010, 09:46 PM
No, the Bullet is a complete WiFi radio--
you can use it as an access-point or
a client radio--either end.

It's intended to plug (screw) directly
onto an antenna. But the big N-connector
is about 1/4 the total weight. You would
need to remove it and solder on another
much smaller connector. But you couldn't
use a 'random' antenna--it must be tuned
for the frequency. You could easily make
up a 1/4-wave monopole. Dave

WHT
03-08-2010, 09:54 PM
But how would you connect a dual-pol antenna to a Bullet?With a single SMA connector.

AeroWRX
03-08-2010, 09:55 PM
i know nothing about making a 1/4-wave monopole antenna, but I can sure buy one!

The reason i said hooking up the Bullet to any antenna was because that's what the Ubiquiti website stated! It never mentioned nothing about tuning an antenna to frequency. Are all Bullets the same frequency? Or does Ubiquiti sell antennas made for the Bullet?

What about 6dB vertical or horizontal polarization antennas for my application?

WHT
03-08-2010, 10:46 PM
The reason i said hooking up the Bullet to any antenna was because that's what the Ubiquiti website stated! It never mentioned nothing about tuning an antenna to frequency. Are all Bullets the same frequency? Or does Ubiquiti sell antennas made for the Bullet?

What about 6dB vertical or horizontal polarization antennas for my application?When they mean "any" antenna, it means:
1) The correct frequency (or frequency band to be more general). They are 2,400 MHz, and 5,800 GHz band radios, as designated by a 2 or 5 suffix.
2) Equal or less gain than the radio was type certified to operate with.
3) Correct "style". Depending your your need, it can be an omni-directional, Yagi, grid, dish, or sector antenna.
4) It can horizontal or vertical polarization (HPOL/VPOL).
5) UBNT has their own antenna product line for their AirMax line of radios.
6) Any third party antenna (see 1 - 4) can be used with non-AirMax radios, and some third party antennas can be used on some AirMax radios.

Because of you don't know the orientation of your aircraft, you want a low gain, omni-direction, dual-polarity antenna.

AeroWRX
03-09-2010, 12:49 AM
Thanks for the detailed response WHT.

Where can i find a 1/4 monopole antenna and a dual polarity omnidirectional antenna that is small enough for the Bullet M2 or M5? What what's the performance difference betwen the 1/4 monopole and a dual polarity?

Would I be able to use a Bullet M2 on the plane and an AirGrid M2 16dBi connected to the laptop's 5V usb? I don't necessarily need to use Bullets on both airplane and computer do i? Since most or all Ubnt products are running on the AirOS web gui they should be interchangeable and mixed uses?

WHT
03-09-2010, 01:06 AM
I piece of coax with center cut to ummm... 1.23" I think, and fan out the braid at 45º would work.

A mono pole is simply a vertically polarized omni antenna with a donut pattern side view. So when the plane is in a steep bank, the pattern becomes more towards the horizontal.

For your "base station", I would use a Nano 2 set as the Station and use the Adaptive Antenna feature to "follow" the polarity of the airplane.

AeroWRX
03-09-2010, 04:39 PM
So the Bullet M has a SMA connector on one end and the power cable on the opposite end. How can i connect a gigabit ethernet cat5e cable?

WHT
03-09-2010, 05:02 PM
No, the Bullet has a standard male N connector. The reference to an SMA connector was to replace the heavy N connector to a lighter weight SMA.

On the other is a standard ethernet jack configured for data and PoE power. It does not support Gigabit, only 100 Mbps LAN.

AeroWRX
03-09-2010, 05:12 PM
No, the Bullet has a standard male N connector. The reference to an SMA connector was to replace the heavy N connector to a lighter weight SMA.

On the other is a standard ethernet jack configured for data and PoE power. It does not support Gigabit, only 100 Mbps LAN.

AHHHHH.....now back to square 1 in my original post... So there is no Ubiquiti product that takes in gigabit ethernet input?

WHT
03-09-2010, 05:29 PM
MCS15 with 40 MHz channel width supports 270 Mbps over-the-air data speed, which would be a 135 Mbps LAN connection. But after you take out the wireless overhead, that would be closer to 100 Mbps anyway. so any standard 100 Mbps product would work.

Anyone correct me if I'm wrong.

AeroWRX
03-09-2010, 06:05 PM
MCS15 with 40 MHz channel width supports 270 Mbps over-the-air data speed, which would be a 135 Mbps LAN connection. But after you take out the wireless overhead, that would be closer to 100 Mbps anyway. so any standard 100 Mbps product would work.

Anyone correct me if I'm wrong.

So let me see if i understood you correctly.. A Bullet M or any Ubiquiti product set at a data rate of MCS15 40Mhz channel. Would accept the 240Mbps input and transmit it back to my "base station" at 100 Mbps ideally? What about the Cat5e cable that connects them? Would a regular 10/100 BASE-TX (Cat. 5, RJ-45) work?? :icon_eek:

I found this at: http://www.connectworld.net/syscon/support.htm

6. Is CAT-5e backwards compatible?

Yes it works with any 10BaseT or 100BaseT network cards and hubs.
CAT-5 is also upwardly compatible with CAT-5e, however your network throughput will only be as fast as the slowest part.

Is MCS15 an easy to change setting in AirOS or what? And how does it affect range performance? Or am i just completely misunderstanding your previous post?

WHT
03-09-2010, 06:22 PM
No....like this:

camera > 100 Mbps LAN > UBNT radio > MSC15 240 Mbps > UBNT radio > 100 Mbps LAN

For a 14 dBm system operating margin, about 2,000 to 3,000 feet. Acceptable

For a 7 dBm system operating margin, about 5,000 feet. Very marginal.

AeroWRX
03-09-2010, 06:41 PM
No....like this:

camera > 100 Mbps LAN > UBNT radio > MSC15 240 Mbps > UBNT radio > 100 Mbps LAN

For a 14 dBm system operating margin, about 2,000 to 3,000 feet. Acceptable

For a 7 dBm system operating margin, about 5,000 feet. Very marginal.

I guess i'm having trouble grasping this because I don't know what a MSC15 240 Mbps is.

Camera to 100Mbps LAN: I imagine a 802.11abgn non-wifi switch or hub of some kind via Cat5e cable?
100Mbps LAN to UBNT radio: 10/100 Cat 5 cable
MSC15 240 Mbps: I have no idea what this is anymore
UBNT radio to 100 Mbps Lan: UBNT radio to Laptop with 10/100 cat 5

Although if a Cat5e cable is backwards compatible, why can't it connect to a Bullet M directly with the bandwidth just being bottle necked at 100Mbps?

Dave-D
03-09-2010, 07:50 PM
Aero, I'm getting more confused than you.

This is 'life is like an onion'; you keep peeling
off more layers of the situation. I don't know
if we have it all yet or not.

You may have a camera with a gigabit port,
but it is almost certain to be compatible with
a 100-speed port too. If so, you plug it into
the radio, point the radio at another radio,
and plug a 100-speed cable into the second
radio. What have we missed this time? Dave

WHT
03-09-2010, 07:51 PM
airplane camera > CAT5 jumper > UBNT radio ~~> UBNT radio > CAT5 jumper > ground LAN

Where "~~>" is the speed of your radio connection. Its set in the radio's web GUI. MCS15 is 270 Mbps radio's speed.

rakpatel
03-09-2010, 07:57 PM
Hi AeroWRX,
Ubiquity Airmax means M series products only have MSC15. Not any a/b/g product. There is differance in M series and a/b/g product. M can talk to a/b/g but a/b/g product do not have capability of Airmax. So in Bullet M in wireless setting you will find MSC15.

What WHT explaining is like this,
From camera connect ethernet cable so it is 100 MB LAN connection between camera and Bullet M than set datarate in the bullet M MSC15 on the other side there should be another Bullet M in that also you set MSC15 which is connected to 100 MB LAN

rakpatel
03-09-2010, 08:00 PM
oops...
AeroWRX, concurrent three reply ........

WHT
03-09-2010, 10:52 PM
Opppsss....hold on. Forget I bought up MCS15 and 270 Mbps. That's for two-chain AirMax.

OK, back on topic. The max over-the-air data speed for the Bullet MSC7 or 130 Mbps.

AeroWRX
03-09-2010, 11:52 PM
Yea i was looking over the Bullet M datasheets and only saw that it went up to MSC7

Now the next question is power... it seems that it only lists a Power method of being the Power Over Ethernet? If i'm connecting the gigabit ethernet camera directly into the Bullet M with a Cat5e cable. How does that work with PoE? The camera will be hooked up to a 12V LiPo battery. Any idea on the power consumption in terms of Amp hours or mAhr a Bullet M runs at?

WHT
03-10-2010, 12:56 AM
You're not connecting the camera directly to the radio, per se. You're connecting the camera to the LAN port of the radio's PoE power injector, and the PoE radio port to the radio.

Bullet uses about 12 watts, or about one amp at 12 volts.

AeroWRX
03-10-2010, 01:18 AM
You're not connecting the camera directly to the radio, per se. You're connecting the camera to the LAN port of the radio's PoE power injector, and the PoE radio port to the radio.

Bullet uses about 12 watts, or about one amp at 12 volts.

So the Bullet only takes in PoE... but the PoE adapter Ubiquiti doesn't let me attach a mobile power source like batteries instead of using a wall wart

WHT
03-10-2010, 02:09 AM
Build your own power injector. Better yet, take a short length of CAT5 cable and splice into the PoE pairs to a 12 volt battery. Save lots of weight.

AeroWRX
03-10-2010, 12:04 PM
Build your own power injector. Better yet, take a short length of CAT5 cable and splice into the PoE pairs to a 12 volt battery. Save lots of weight.

i was considering something similar like splicing into the UBNT POE injector on the wall plug side, but I didn't think of just splicing into the CAT5 cable. Does a CAT5e cable have the same internal wiring?

WHT
03-10-2010, 12:39 PM
Yeah....tie pins 4 & 5 together and to 12 volt positive and pins 7 & 8 to negative ground.

AeroWRX
03-10-2010, 10:44 PM
Yeah....tie pins 4 & 5 together and to 12 volt positive and pins 7 & 8 to negative ground.


http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/9373/downlink.jpg

A picture is worth a thousand words so let me summarize this Wifi and power link into a diagram.

I also included the links for the ethernet splice as well. Let me get the idea straight is that I can cut a Cat 6 or 5e cable in half and solder 4,5 and 7,8 to a battery and the 1,2,3,6 pins back to the 1,2,3,6 on the other end? I read somewhere that the wire pairs are twisted together and shouldn't be separated or else the connection goes bad.

The splicing I have in the diagram looks horrendous...is there a better way? Maybe i should attach a PoE injector in between and solder in there instead?

Dave-D
03-10-2010, 10:52 PM
Man, that is one confusing drawing!

NanoStation and Bullet have 10/100Mbps
NICs--not Gigabit. You can't plug a camera
at gb speeds into them. If the camera is
happy with 100Mbps, fine.

Also, you can't splice in a battery on a gigabit
circuit. It require all 8 leads for data. If you
want to put power on a gb CAT6, you must
use special injectors and pickoffs.

What charges your battery?

I have no idea what the NanoStation '5V USB
power' is about. NanoStation uses a standard
PoE supply at 12 to 24V. USB is 5V.

Did I miss anything else? Dave

WHT
03-10-2010, 11:10 PM
Drwaing looks good, you got the right idea. What I would do is take a short length of CAT5 patch cable (or you can make your own if you have the crimp tool). Slice open the PVC covering for about an inch and pull out the PoE pair from one end of the slice. Solder them to a small mono-headphone jack.

WHT
03-10-2010, 11:13 PM
Oh...just caught this. You won't have a 240 Mbps wired connection on the ethernet cable. You'll have a 100 Mbps wired connection and 240 Mbps wireless connection (which is close to a 100 Mbps wired connection speed).

AeroWRX
03-10-2010, 11:40 PM
Hi Dave,

I thought I had read somewhere that the NanoStation can also run on a laptop USB (5V).. but I guess not. I'll just run it off a PoE adapter.

The 12V battery will only be used once during the mission so it won't need to be charged.

I thought WHT confirmed that the CAT5e had the same wiring as a CAT5 so i can splice into it?

I never intended the gigabit speed to go over the Bullet, i expected the data on the CAT5e/6 cable to just to slow down to 130Mbps MSC7.

But if i used a CAT5 cable and it's good to go on the gigabit camera end..OR if a CAT5e cable is backwards compatible with a Bullet M.. are either of these options possible?

WHT
03-11-2010, 02:00 AM
Nanostation has been known to operate as low as 9 volts, but its iffy.

Cat5 is rated at 100 Mbps and CAT5e (enhanced) at 350 Mbps, but for a short jumper - you won't see any difference. As far as wiring, they are the same.

Since the Bullet has a 100 Mbps LAN port, you can use CAT5 (if you can still find it), or CAT5e. But the wired data speed will still be 100 Mbps.

135 Mbps (MCS7) is a radio speed, not a wired ethernet speed. If you have an MCS7 radio data speed, you would have an end-point wired ethernet LAN speed of half that.

AeroWRX
03-11-2010, 02:26 AM
When I wrote 130Mbps for the blue line connecting the Bullet and Nanostation it's a wireless connection, and not a cable connection. (i should've used dotted lines)

or...Do you mean that the wireless datalink between the Bullet M and the Nanostation M is actually half of the radio speed 135Mbps is actually ~70Mbps in reality? o.O

Is CAT6 the same as CAT5e and CAT5? Dave was a bit critical on the fact that I can't splice the CAT6 like we discussed.

Also, there was a mention in an article that the twisting of the ethernet wires is very important to the quality of the signal. If i splice it and connect it with solder, wouldn't that degrade the quality at all?

WHT
03-11-2010, 03:07 AM
A wireless radio link is half-duplex. The AP talks a bit while the Station listens, then the Station talks while the AP listens. So if your over-the-air radio speed is 135 Mbps, your end-point LAN speed is only half that, or 70 Mbps.

CAT5e is for 100 Mbps, CAT6 for 350 Mbps. Both use the standard EIA-568a or -568b wiring pinout, where the 3 & 4 and 7 & 8 pairs are spare pairs that are used for PoE. But Gigabite Ethernet uses all four pairs, leaving no pairs for PoE. I can pretty much assure you your camera is not Gigabite Ethernet. That is what Dave was referring to.

Since you'll be pulling out the spare PoE pairs and not untwisting the two data pairs, there won't be a any reduction of cable performance.

WHT
03-11-2010, 03:13 AM
A wireless radio link is half-duplex. The AP talks a bit while the Station listens, then the Station talks while the AP listens. So if your over-the-air radio speed is 135 Mbps, your end-point LAN speed is only half that, or 70 Mbps.The reason for that is with a wired connection, you have data going in both directions at the same time on two separate pairs. You don't have "two separate pairs" in a wireless link.

Dave-D
03-11-2010, 08:38 AM
Aero, I hope I didn't confuse you by
trying to un-confuse your sketch.

CAT5, CAT5e and CAT6 are merely
quality indications for cables and
connectors. If you're running at
gigabit (not gigabyte) speeds, you
would use best quality--CAT6.

All cables and connectors have the
same wiring, except that gigabit
circuits cannot be wired with PoE
in the simple way you show, because
those types share PoE with data leads.

As WHT says, your camera is probably
not gigibit (or if it is, it probably will
also function at 100-speed as well).

Your maximum speed across 100-speed
Ethernet cable is always 100Mbps in
each direction--no matter what your
sketch has marked. The network circuits
stop the flow to limit this speed. (Note that
is 100Mbps in each direction--or for a half-
duplex radio circuit, it's called an aggregate
of 200Mbps.) That's what makes your sketch
so confusing. Dave

AeroWRX
03-12-2010, 12:01 PM
So all my wireless connections should be labeled as 100Mbps instead of 240 right?

Also i'm using either Prosilica or Dalsa gigabit ethernet cameras so it should be limited down to 100Mbps in my diagram

ie. http://www.prosilica.com/products/specifications/gc_series_specs.html

Dave-D
03-12-2010, 12:07 PM
All your wired connections should be
labeled 100Mbps. The wireless links
are variable with the signal quality,
but are about a maximum 80Mbps in
each direction. Dave

WHT
03-12-2010, 12:42 PM
So all my wireless connections should be labeled as 100Mbps instead of 240 right?No....

Lets start all over.

EDITED FOR CORRECTIONS...BACK IN AN HOUR

WHT
03-12-2010, 01:03 PM
Sorry....got tied up. OK....

So all my wireless connections should be labeled as 100Mbps instead of 240 right?No....

Lets start all over.

You'll be using the Bullet M5 radio. Its supports 65 Mbps (20 MHz channel width) and 135 Mbps (40 MHz channel width) "over-the-air" data speeds. Since WIRELESS only passes data in one direction at a time, that would be the wired equivalent speed of 32 and 67 Mbps.

If you wanted to use the Nanostation M5, it supports 130 Mbps (20 MHz channel width) and 270 Mbps (40 MHz channel width), because its two-chain MIMO.

Your WIRED connections would be labeled 100 Mbps.

EDITED TO ADD....
"that would be the wired equivalent speed of 32 and 67 Mbps, " however since your data stream is not symmetrical, i.e. most of your data flow will be coming down from the camera, your speed would be closer to 40 and 90 Mbps.

AeroWRX
03-12-2010, 04:43 PM
Thanks for clearing that up guys.

Here's another question that I just thought of while i was playing around with a Canon VB C50i IP Surveillance camera at the moment. This camera requires it to connect to a hub or switch with the PC. It works when I hook it up to my Linksys WRT54GL router-switch, but only for 30-60 seconds when I connected it directly to my laptop via CAT5 cable just to see what would happen. It disconnects after a brief moment and won't reconnect ever again after that.

Now I'm not sure if the gigabit ethernet ccd camera i'll be using needs to connect to hub or not, but this presents another issue. Will a Bullet M and Nanostation M function like a hub/switch and control data transfer between the camera and the PC or do I need to hook up a hub to the Bullet/Nano OR use a crossover CAT5e cable?

WHT
03-12-2010, 05:31 PM
The PC and camera are "client wired" ethernet jacks. They work when you connect them to a "server wired" switch or hub.

When you connect a camera to a PC's NIC, the auto-gender mechanism gets confused at times. So you'll need a cross-over cable.

WHT
03-12-2010, 05:33 PM
Will a Bullet M and Nanostation M function like a hub/switch and control data transfer between the camera and the PC or do I need to hook up a hub to the Bullet/NanoWhoaaa....now that is different. Where does the camera to PC connection come in, that's new.

Dave-D
03-12-2010, 05:46 PM
Aero:

This is 'life is like an onion'; you keep peeling
off more layers of the situation. I don't know
if we have it all yet or not. Dave

WHT
03-12-2010, 07:35 PM
Nevermind, I just figured out that you are just testing the camera out and connectign it to a PC.

AeroWRX
03-13-2010, 12:10 AM
Now you guys got me confused haha.. We've always been talking about connecting a camera. The whole situation is drawn in my updated diagram. Usually ethernet cameras are connected to the PC with a hub/switch or crossover cable in wired situations. Or by using a wireless router-switch to connect the camera wirelessly. The switch or hub is able to negotiate the data transfer back and forth, but in this situation, i'm using the Ubiquiti products to replace the switch/hub.

Ethernet Camera -> Bullet M / Nanostation -> PC

instead of..

Ethernet Camera -> HUB -> PC


http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/6983/downlinkandpower2.jpg

Dave-D
03-13-2010, 07:23 AM
Somehow, in over 50 posts, this still isn't
resolved. I won't even try to discover why.

In your drawing, you still have a 'gigabit
CAT5E cable' It is not a gigabit cable-- it
is a 100-speed cable. You have a '5.8Ghz
omni directional dual polarity antenna'. It
is not dual polarity--it is single polarity--
unless you do a tricky custom design with
patch antennas--is that your plan? Do
you know how to design antennas?

Note that aircraft typically have a single
1/4-wave stub antenna mounted on the
belly to communicate with ground stations.

Your radio link may be 130Mbps TX/RX,
but in the only direction that counts--
receive from the camera--it is half that.

Good luck with your project. Dave

WHT
03-13-2010, 11:33 AM
http://whtonline.com/Team_Ubiquiti/AeroWRX.png

Dave-D
03-13-2010, 11:45 AM
Aero, you really owe WHT a bit of
gratitude; he has worked his butt
off on this little project. Dave

WHT
03-13-2010, 12:02 PM
I take chocolates for payment.

Hmm...wasn't someone gonna get me a new espresso machine? ROFL

AeroWRX
03-13-2010, 10:36 PM
WHT and Dave,

I really appreciated all the advice you guys have given me. I do really come from zero knowledge about wireless communication. WHT's corrections to my diagram cleared a lot of things up for me especially how to cut into the CAT5e cable. I originally thought i had to cut it in half to get inside and reconnect all the wires with solder. Although now I have to practice stripping the outter layer to get to the voltage wire pairs.

Valentine's day is over but I can probably send you some See's chocolates!

I do have another question though. Dave mentioned in this thread:
http://www.ubnt.com/forum/showthread.php?t=13671
that dual polarity antennas have 2 RF connectors and shouldn't really be used for the Bullet since they only have one N type connector. Was there a commercially available 6dBi omni-directional dual polarity antenna you guys had in mind? The only one I found that resembled these specs was a panel antenna here which also has 2 rf N type jacks:
http://www.io-power.com/pro2-1.htm

Oh and yes I am serious about the chocolates and maybe.. if woot.com has a sale on coffee machines

WHT
03-13-2010, 11:37 PM
6 dBi and 9 dBi dual polarity single N connector or SMA connector.
Omni pattern approximates an isotropic radiator
925, 24,000, and 5,800 MHz models
TDF-5800-DPOL-6

But I'd just go with an omni antenna for now. Or build you own based on this:
http://flakey.info/antenna/omni/quarter/

Or http://www.antennasystems.com/AFantenna/2400-2500MHz.html

WHT
03-13-2010, 11:44 PM
Check this again. I had a power cable for the camera labeled as a CAT5 cable
http://whtonline.com/Team_Ubiquiti/AeroWRX.png

WHT
03-13-2010, 11:48 PM
Although now I have to practice stripping the outter layer to get to the voltage wire pairs.Get a CAT5 wire "stripper" tool from Radio Shack, Homo Depot, or Lowes.
It looks like this. Might be blue. http://www.paladin-tools.com/view_tool.php?id=48&parent_id=48

"Ring" your patch cable in two places about an inch apart. Cut out the inch section of sheath. Pull out the PoE pairs. You don't have to tape anything back up, just don't mess with the data pairs.

AeroWRX
03-14-2010, 12:15 AM
Check this again. I had a power cable for the camera labeled as a CAT5 cable
http://whtonline.com/Team_Ubiquiti/AeroWRX.png


Actually this part stumped me a lil bit. Was it your assumption that my camera can take PoE or did I mistakenly indicated that somewhere. Because the gigabit ethernet camera datasheets that I have never indicated it had PoE capability. There is a separate power input from an included adapter which I'l have to replace with a soldered 12V/Gnd link to the LiPo battery.

WHT
03-14-2010, 01:05 AM
Actually this part stumped me a lil bit. Was it your assumption that my camera can take PoE or did I mistakenly indicated that somewhere. It was a typo on my part. I inadvertently labeled the camera power cable as an ethernet cable.


Added...
Instead of soldering lots of power connectors that you may have to unsolder, what about some terminal barrier strips?
http://www.lowes.com/pd_49497-12704-89-610R_4294821936+4294963108_4294937087?productId=3128817&pl=1&currentURL=/pl_IDEAL_4294821936%204294963108_4294937087_

bld76
03-14-2010, 09:57 AM
Yes you can also just use the same type that you are already using on your battery(connectors) to splice into the poe for the radio.

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