a cheaper bulletM2?

[jacobsuter]

Is there going to be a "Forty Dollar" BulletM2 at some point? Right now the only bulletM2's I see are in-line with the B2HP in both cost ($79) and RF performance (>500mW TX).

If this is a short term issue, I can absorb the $40 cost difference for a while. Definitely worth it for the extra performance. If there's not going to be a cheaper BulletM, I'm not sure if it'll be economically viable for us to deploy M gear at 2.4.

Thanks!

[Dave-D]

Are you entirely serious?

What other maker has a product
anything like this that you could
buy for anything like $40?

'...absorb the .. difference'?
You're very kind. Dave

[drwho17]

Well, we never bought the other ones anyway, $40 difference for a different less powerful transmitter just wasn't worth it to us. We can just turn down our existing radios when used as an AP, or if used as a client we can raise it, no point in stocking the 20db version.

[lncommunications]

I would also like to know whether Ubiquiti are going to release a non-HP version of the BulletM2, this is important as we also use Bullets as CPE's and yes I would rather pay $40 less per CPE than pay $40 more and "just turn the power down".

[jacobsuter]

Now, for those are confused for asking about a lower-end BulletM. This is the same world with $26-30 (retail, in stores) Trendnet TEW652BRP 2x2 MIMO routers, with 400mhz Atheros SoCs and 4 MB flash and 32MB ram, and 5 vlan switch ports.

Now lets assume for a moment Frys and Trendnet made *nothing* on the sale of these routers at $26. Eliminate the second RF path and the 5 port switch and you're down to the $20-ish range. With Ubiquiti's small margins for resellers/suppliers, this could EASILY be a $40 retail unit, just like the Bullet2 is/was $40.

It also sure as hell doesn't cost Ubiquiti $40, $20, or likely even $10 to add another amplification stage to the Bullet2HP. You're paying the "doing it wrong" tax, and its mighty high.

My opinion is - unless you're crossing a lot of land (10+ miles) there's absolutely no reason to need >50mW of TX at 2.4. Needing more shows you're doing something wrong. If you're losing that much signal into *something* you're most likely going to have enough multipath issues to get lousy throughput.

Now, can anyone answer the question?

[Dave-D]

Sure, I can answer the question.

Ubiquiti doesn't focus on the consumer
market. I doubt if they have interest
in a 50mW MIMO unit for any reason.

Jacob, I don't know how you make up
the phrase doing it wrong' for Ubiquity
to meet the market they do serve. In
today's congested rf environment, a
50mW output to an omni is trivial.
'10+ miles'...more like 500ft.

If you think simply adding up the cost
of parts is the way to estimate retail,
you've never been a manufacturer.

I agree that TrendNet is a low-cost
leader in its market; so is Ubiquiti.
TrendNet also has the advantage of
much larger volume. Dave

[Jayson]

Holy crap. Have you lost your mind. Am I the only one who wants them to raise their prices???? I would pay double for any of the M gear right now if I could get it.

[Dave-D]

I'm with you, Jayson.

I think Ubiquiti under-charges, and
ends up without enough cash flow
to drive manufacturing and support.

But remember: some of this at least
is due to Atheros and chipsets. Dave

[drwho17]

I would also like to know whether Ubiquiti are going to release a non-HP version of the BulletM2, this is important as we also use Bullets as CPE's and yes I would rather pay $40 less per CPE than pay $40 more and "just turn the power down".
Well, we only use them with 24 db grids, so we utilize 24db on the radio as well, so when I say turn the power down I mean to 24db which is still 4db beyond the capability of the $40 Bullet2 at clipping.

[Virtual69]

My guess is that it's not the HP that costs more money, but the M piece. It's newer technology (IE, Atheros charges more for it) and it requires a faster processor to make it go (ie, Atheros charges more for it).

If they went with M on a slower processor, it probably wouldn't be much faster than the G speeds, so you'd be *****ing that it doesn't give you the faster speeds of the more expensive part!

[UBNT-Mike.Ford]

Hello,

We have zero plans to introduce anything other then the current Bullet M HP models that we have.

Thanks,

Mike

[lncommunications]

Thanks Mike, that's all we needed to know.