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freemam
09-16-2009, 10:08 AM
Hi UBNT team,
can you confirm that Nanostation M5 are full 802.11a compliant (no MIMO, ok)?
In other word, I can substitute a NS5 whit NS5M?
tnx ;)
smartburst
09-17-2009, 06:44 AM
We were told the only issue of compatibility is NS5M does not support WEP, so if you aren't using that dinosaur of encryption, you would be able to mix and match.
freemam
09-17-2009, 07:03 AM
We were told the only issue of compatibility is NS5M does not support WEP, so if you aren't using that dinosaur of encryption, you would be able to mix and match.
Good, wireless security is a optional ;)
But, have tried to use NS5M intead NS5?
UBNT-Mike.Ford
09-17-2009, 01:16 PM
Good, wireless security is a optional ;)
But, have tried to use NS5M intead NS5?
Hello,
This applies to NS5M a well, but you lose all benefits of AirMax and the 802.11n protocol when intermixing like this.
Thanks,
Mike
kijoma
09-17-2009, 01:53 PM
hi mike
we found here that the bullet M5 will not associate with a normal 802.11a product like a bullet 5 etc..
i can scan and see it, cant connect.. this is with security off.. WDS or no WDS..
i am guessing this is not meant to be?
this is the RC firmware.
UBNT-Mike.Ford
09-17-2009, 01:55 PM
hi mike
we found here that the bullet M5 will not associate with a normal 802.11a product like a bullet 5 etc..
i can scan and see it, cant connect.. this is with security off.. WDS or no WDS..
i am guessing this is not meant to be?
this is the RC firmware.
Hey Bill,
I am using Bullet M5 connected to a NanoStation 5 right now to talk with you on the forum? Can you post your configuration file?
Did you take the bullet M5 out of Auto20/40 mode and into 20Mhz only mode?
Thanks,
Mike
kijoma
09-19-2009, 09:13 AM
hi mike,
i tried all different fixed rates, its the one reason i haven't put up 5m's in preference to 5's
also the 40 Mhz mode is useless in A mode as it has the wrong channels , the mode option needs to be split so we have a choice of:-
N - full N mode...
A - as near as exact to the B5 functionality so the M5 can become the "never to be released" B5 HP... with the correct 40 mhz channels etc... and a beefier CPU!.
at the moment its combined and not satisfactory..
Will a soon to be released firmware update do this?
would be good to fit the M5 bullets in on existing A infrastructure as A devices so later we can change to N as appropriate.
When i get 5 mins :icon_exclaim: i will do some more A mode tests here and publish the results..
cheers
Dave-D
09-19-2009, 10:27 AM
Kijoma, that's not my experience at all.
I associated a Bullet5 in AP-WDS to a
Bullet M5 in Client-WDS instantly. The
AP Bullet was also talking to another
Bullet 5; so this is PTMP. Channel was
5Mhz wide; data rate 6Mhz.
The path was about 14Km, with signal
at about -55dbm, using a 24dbi grid. I
used the 5.0.2 [RC] firmware. Dave
kijoma
09-19-2009, 05:53 PM
hmmm, perhaps i picked a duff B5 out of the box :( , i do hate that when it happens.. you don't usually expect a new B5 to be duff, it might be the second DoA we have had in about 400 of their radios, certainly far better than we got from Mikrotik.
the Frequency issue still stands, you cant use the M5 in 40mhz mode with any normal A kit..
Hi UBNT team,
can you confirm that Nanostation M5 are full 802.11a compliant (no MIMO, ok)?
In other word, I can substitute a NS5 whit NS5M?
tnx ;)
NO. The 5M product line DOES NOT work properly with 802.11a and WILL NOT until October or November, according to Robert from Ubiquiti.
http://www.ubnt.com/forum/showthread.php?t=13342
NO. The 5M product line DOES NOT work properly with 802.11a
So are you saying that I shouldn't be able to use a Loco 5 connected to a Bullet M5 about half a mile away ???
Dave-D
09-20-2009, 03:06 PM
Ron, that's not quite what Robert said:
"We do not officially support 802.11a/b/g mode with M series products yet. Under certain conditions, they might work OK, but we cannot guarantee anything right now."
He didn't say it would not work--only that it's not
supported (until a later firmware rev.). He didn't say what
'certain conditions' are, but I can only repeat that a Bullet M5
worked very well against a Bullet5 for me. Dave
So are you saying that I shouldn't be able to use a Loco 5 connected to a Bullet M5 about half a mile away ???
I said it does not work ***properly***, not that it doesn't work at all.
You'll probably be able to pass some bits some of the time.
Sorry Ron....My Loco 5 has been working just fine and proper with a Bullet M5 for three months. If it works for me, but not for you...then you must be doing something wrong.
MaximumISP
09-20-2009, 08:38 PM
I have had a Bullet M5 shooting to a
NS5 for over a month now with no problems at all
Sorry Ron....My Loco 5 has been working just fine and proper with a Bullet M5 for three months. If it works for me, but not for you...then you must be doing something wrong.
WHT, you shouldn't joke like this, those who don't know you may think you are being serious.
What part do you think I am joking about?
I say it works because I have had it working, same for Maximum.
You said it won't work.
Now....connect the dots.
______* works for me_______________
___* works for Max_______________
__________* doesn't work for you_____
Hi
M5 do not work in 40mhz for me, aslo ppls can`t chose only the vertical or horizontal polarisation...idk yet about signal strength sensitivity but it think is lower,anyway i will run some test this week...
Can anyone advice how i can integrate Nanostation M5 in a network of old Nanostation 5 where all station and aps work in 40 mhz with vertical polarization ??? :icon_cry:
Please advice asap...
Best regards,
Tand
Dave-D
09-27-2009, 01:34 PM
Have you read this stream, tand?
UBNT-Robert quoted as saying:
"We do not officially support 802.11a/b/g mode with M series products yet. Under certain conditions, they might work OK, but we cannot guarantee anything right now."
Elsewhere, Mike says a/b/g modes will be
supported in a future '5.1' firmware release.
Elsewhere, Ubiquiti points out that the current
'M' firmware doesn't support control over the
internal antennas / polarity. Dave
1.4km between NS5 and NS5M has -89 signal and inconsistent trafic. The same link with NS and Wisp+panel 19 = -53 (~25mbps), NS5M and NS5M = -69 (61mbps limited because is a repetear). Speedtest was made between server and NS5M (server -> mikrotik 70mbps link -> NS5M------NS5M) where "-----" means wireless connection and "->" is cable/fiber. So the test was limited by Mikrotik wireless link. The test was one FTP file copy.
kijoma
09-27-2009, 11:52 PM
hi,
20dB loss implies cross polarisation.. We have stuck up a Bullet M5 as an AP and it connects to a nano5 ok and passes full speed traffic.
the only caveats appear to be the 40mhz mode is no use as the channel centres are different (should be simple to resolve when the mode drop down has A and N selectable and they add the offsets).
Same for polarisation switching (for nano m5/m5 loco), am sure they will add it for A modes soon enough..
the other missing features are WDS relay with any security, they do not support WEP and WPA/2 is still a no no for AP<>AP links as far as i am aware?
my first test was with a known working m5 (did a load of tests with it) and a new b5, the new b5 was DoA though :( , first one like that... typical its the one i go to test A connectivity to an M.
After the success of the first BM5 in A mode i will now replace the B5 i put in the other day on a site as was a bit nervous back then about A compatibility.
cheers
slarner
09-28-2009, 04:06 AM
Im also having a problem. I cant get the NanoM5 to connect to a Mikrotik 5ghz AP. (120Deg Sector V pol) with WPA/WPA2 security on. As soon as i turn the security off it connects up fine.
It connects up just with weak signal untill you turn it around on its side. Which i already know is a problem.
Has anyone else had these problems with Securtiy?
V impressed with these when not using them to old A networks! 70/80mbits without AirMax!
Stewart
Thank you Dave.D ...but if they not supported why is for sale ... i have a big network of Nanostaion 5 ...what i will do now if i can`t integrate M5 in it ?!?!?!? anyone know where pach 5.1 will be relase ??? for the moment M5 is unuseful for my network because my sectorials antenas and other aps work on 40mHz (channel 160 - 5800) with vertical polarization ...
Thank God i only put 250-300 NanoStation 5 on the network...but what shoud i do now ?!? how i will continue with my network ?!!
what shoud i do now ?!? how i will continue with my network ?!!No reason why you can't continue with the Bullet 5.
local1970
12-12-2009, 01:13 PM
HI , I not yet tried Ubiquiti products and my question is what type of products I have to use and make connection between 5 clients anf 1 AP / I need one Ethernet port for AP / . Maybe 6 numberes NanoStation Loco5 , I suppose- 5 clients and 1 Access point? I need offer for that scheme.
Best regards
Speed, Distance, Reliability, Cost...Pick three
local1970
12-12-2009, 02:10 PM
Speed, Distance, Reliability, Cost...Pick three
Speed for CCTV net , distance is up to 500 m between clients and AP, Reliability is middle...Cost - from midlde class .That will be local network - 5 clients NANO LOCO 5Ghz
Speed for CCTV net , distance is up to 500 m between clients and AP, Reliability is middle...Cost - from midlde class .That will be local network - 5 clients NANO LOCO 5Ghz
How you have line of sight?
If 10 Mbps TCP is enough, you can use a nanostation 5 as the AP.
If you want more speed, just get 6 Nano Station 5M and use one as the AP.
local1970
12-13-2009, 01:41 AM
How you have line of sight?
If 10 Mbps TCP is enough, you can use a nanostation 5 as the AP.
If you want more speed, just get 6 Nano Station 5M and use one as the AP.
Yes I thing so 10MB is good...There is 5 stations - 4 cameras every one. 2MB on 1 station... that is 10MB total. I thing so that is good.
What configuration must I use for more speed? ....
5 numbers Nano5 for clients
For Access point maybe
RouterBoard 433AH
XR5 miniPCI 802.11a, 28dBm Wireless Card
N Female to MMCX
5 GHz Omni antenna
LLC400 Low Loss Cable with N Male Connectors, 2m
Is that good? Or maybe I have to use Pico5 with 360gr omni antenna for AP and 5 Nano for clients ?
funknetz
12-14-2009, 07:11 AM
Hi,
we want to use NanoStation M5 as client in our network with mikrotiks with r52 cards ind 5 ghz only mode. The Problem is, it doesnt work. Should the actual firmware 5.0.2 be allready fully compatible to the 5 ghz mode?
The thread about 5 ghz problems ended in September...
skyhook
12-14-2009, 07:15 AM
Hi,
we want to use NanoStation M5 as client in our network with mikrotiks with r52 cards ind 5 ghz only mode. The Problem is, it doesnt work. Should the actual firmware 5.0.2 be allready fully compatible to the 5 ghz mode?
The thread about 5 ghz problems ended in September...
Please post more info on "it doesnt work" and MT wireless export.
You use any wireless security?
gullisig
12-14-2009, 10:00 AM
Hi,
we want to use NanoStation M5 as client in our network with mikrotiks with r52 cards ind 5 ghz only mode. The Problem is, it doesnt work. Should the actual firmware 5.0.2 be allready fully compatible to the 5 ghz mode?
The thread about 5 ghz problems ended in September...
You should update to fw5.1Beta it might help.
