Question from start-up WISP

[Nanflexal]

Hello Guys,

Upon 3 weeks of searching of affordable WiMax Base Station and CPE, finally i landed to this site which provide affordable price that cannot be found anywhere. Thanks to ubnt.com for making this product affordable.

Let's get down to business, I'm planning to build WISP in our rural area and no doubt, i will deploy AirMax in my project, i will build three (3) backhaul in the following area.


Tikling
Culasi
Bon-Ot Big


my question is
i have a backhaul in Matnog then the signal will be sent to tikling, culasi and bon-ot. now my quistion is, how can i create second backhaul in tikling and third backhaul in culasi and fourth backhaul in bon-ot.


In tikilng, Do i need to recieve the signal from matnog using CPE and attached cat 5 cable to CPE going to 2 or 4 gigabit switch port to create another backhaul by using another AirMax 5.

Matnog is the Base Station using AirMax 5.

Thanks
Alex Adamos


Your comment / reply is highly appreciated.

Best Regards,

Alex Adamos
www.adamos.org
www.wirelessforum.info

[Nanflexal]

i need your help guys. Thanks

[rconaway]

Without spending a lot of time on this, I would suggest that your backhauls are all PTP and not use the AP that you are using for client coverage simultaneously. Although the radios will take it and obviously your Internet egress is probably less than the bandwidth of the radios, there may be some latency caused by load. It's just easier to manage so spend the extra few hundred dollars and seperate the PTP links from the clients. We do that in some areas but my Internet bandwidth is pretty slow.

[Nanflexal]

Thank for your rconway, i really appreciate it.

[Nanflexal]

Without spending a lot of time on this, I would suggest that your backhauls are all PTP and not use the AP that you are using for client coverage simultaneously. Although the radios will take it and obviously your Internet egress is probably less than the bandwidth of the radios, there may be some latency caused by load. It's just easier to manage so spend the extra few hundred dollars and seperate the PTP links from the clients. We do that in some areas but my Internet bandwidth is pretty slow.

how many clients do you have and what is your internet backdone?

[rconaway]

It's a good question but in the interest of simplicity and reduced downtime (keep in mind he's a startup), I think a separate backhaul is better without the question of bandwidth. As I said, we do it but we have 3 DSL circuits with a combined capacity of 7.5Mbps. With 15 basestations spread across 2 square miles, it's not much of an issue. Later, you can make the backhaul redundant to reduce downtime even further, hence the managed switch.

At each location, all you need is a switch. If you have reasonable temperatures or buildings, get a managed switches (we use Enterasys switches off Ebay, really cheap) with the ability to monitor and manage ports. If not, get some Linksys SD switches that can handle higher temperatures. They are $40-$100.

I have to apolize, I just went back and looked at your diagram. Your 4KM might hold 150Mbps between two nanos but that would be pushing it (my opinion and I haven't tested it) but I'm pretty sure 6Km is too far. I would suggest the rockets with external antennas. However, since your Internet access is only 2Mbps max, your original idea is also fine. If budget starts playing a big part in this, go back to your original idea of using an AP as a backhaul and ignore what I said earlier.

What I don't understand with only 2Mbps on the Egress point why 150Mbps is important? Is that for data being transported behind your network like school to school?

I would also suggest a Peplink router for aggragating the internet circuits.

[Nanflexal]

What I don't understand with only 2Mbps on the Egress point why 150Mbps is important? Is that for data being transported behind your network like school to school?


i want to offer wireless camera Surveillance to municipality of matnog, put some camera on vital infrastracture & etc because this could be additional income and i want to put 1 camera every backhaul of my network.

The Cost of 1 Mbps in Matnog is 100,000.00 pesos or almost $2,300.00 per month. I'm still sending email to other group / person who can help us negotiate for affodable bandwdith, 10 to 20 Mbps would be nice. I'm not gonna take that plan & i will find other way to get affordable bandwidth.

Do you mean, I will put Manage with port in tikling, culasi and bon-ot? then connect Rocket5 MIMO to the switch. is this what you mean?

please put your idea here to make my network infrastracture better.
matnog:


Tikling:


Culasi:


budget is not a problem here, can you tell your idea about backhaul redundant.



Thanks

Alex

[rconaway]

Make sure the cameras support MPEG-4 at minimum with UDP. I would try to get cameras that support H.264 if you could.

[rconaway]

You use spanning tree with parallel links for redundancy. That requires managed switches. On the Entarasys switches as well as others, you can manage port traffic for BitTorrent, etc.. so that you can block specific apps without affecting everything. You can also do port mirroring so that you can use apps like Wireshark or IDS/IPS apps to monitor specific traffic issues. The idea here is to keep people from doing bad things to your network and other people.

[Nanflexal]

So it would look like this? and i think putting Rocket5 MIMO, AirMax Basestation with RD-5G30 in matnog could make the network perfect for distribution.

[jasongovan87]

if you know some Wireless camera vendor that support MPEG-4 please post it here.

For the Cameras, I woundn't go past Mobotix. They aren't wireless, but the new Nanostations now have an extra Ethernet Port on them. You can also put a solar panel on them and power them that way.

They don't push and forget like other cameras. If it detects the network is busy or down, it can buffer the images on it's memory then push that information to a NAS Drive, or you can even put a miniSD card or USB Stick in them and store the recorded footage to that.

It uses a decentralised model rather then a central DVR.

http://www.mobotix.com

[Headbang]

I run 5.8 backhauls and 2.4/900 serving. I will often times use the 2.4 from a tower to backhaul to a smaller repeater when planning 1-4 clients, this is done in the short term until I can schedule a climb @ the hub tower to install 5.8 equipment. This also allows me to test a site with minimal expense and time. By doing so we have had cases where the site never evolved beyond a 2 client repeater with 20' pole on a building do to factors we could not see until tested. Other cases the site will evolve to a large sectorized tower able to handle 100+ clients.

I have also had cases where I used the 2.4 omni's to WDS between towers until a backhaul could be fixed. This of course is as evil as it gets and only used in emergency situations where tower climbs can not be done right away. ALL of my towers are pre-bullet, so going forward we are retrofitting all towers with nice low cost backup links based on bullets & grids.

Setting up properly in the first place is important! Once you have 50 installs scheduled and 50 more trying to get installed, you won't have time to go back and retrofit easily.

As far as switches. I like RB450's and RB493's. I put these in a box with my self wired POE splitters. Reasons for RB450's: they can manage bandwidth, 24V (1 PSU Voltage needed), temp handling. Noted I see temps from -40C to +40C in a year. I put the boxes on the towers with dual UPS's and Dual PSU's inside the building for redundancy. This allows us to fix problems without needing to enter the building.

[Nanflexal]

I was wondering about the operation mode of NSM5 in tikling, culasi ang bon-ot big that will recieve the internet connection. what would be the operation of that, repeater or WDS AP or WDS bridge?

[rconaway]

Looks good. I would look at the E-1's, the B and C series also. Go to www.enterasys.com and get the exact part numbers, then watch ebay for the sales. Stay away from the VH series units since they are too old.

[rconaway]

WHT has a line of Aviosys cameras that support H.264. I would contact him for pricing since they are really inexpensive.

[Nanflexal]

I was wondering about the operation mode of NSM5 in tikling, culasi ang bon-ot big that will recieve the internet connection. what would be the operation of that, repeater or WDS AP or WDS bridge?

Could someone answer this please. Thanks

[rconaway]

You want all your backhauls to be WDS mode. One or both sides have to be AP+WDS. Doesn't matter if one is station WDS.

[Nanflexal]

Yes i want all my backhaul in AP+WDS mode or WDS Mode but i have a question, Let's say i hve 25 backhaul in WDS, what is the effect of this in my network?

If i put one (1) camera in Matnog then one (1) in Bon-ot Big, can i access the camera via local LAN IP of the camera?

how many LAN port on this manage switch Entarasys? can you tell me the exact model. Thanks

[zirculs]

Hello,

Nanflexal, I am also from the Philippines. I have an existing wireless network conceived (rural internet) almost the same with your idea, and still up & running for more than a year now. Currently my network is used for my internet cafe business and some gov't school here. One of my biggest problem offering my internet connection to the public seems not on the technical side of the trade but on gov't regulation. Though NTC is not so strict in the implementation of wifi regulations (NTC MC 9-9-2003), since outdoor equipment here requires radio station license, but PLDT/smart will not allow reselling of their bandwidth through WISP. RA 7925 (Public Telecommunications Policy Act) provides that wireless data network offered to the public for compensation shall only be provided by duly authorized public telecommunications entities (PTE).

To become a PTE we need congressional franchise. My nightmare ( & yours) should starts here maybe, until RA 7925 is revised/revoked or amended. So my wireless networks instead of helping rural folks getting internet connections becomes a private network for some friends and relatives, and for my icafe business ONLY.

[zirculs]

by the way here's my network...

[rconaway]

It's amazing how governments can screw things up and get in the way of progress. Our regulations in the U.S. almost guaranteed monopolies. Mexico is even worse so the TeleMexico is guaranteed a monopoly and the general public gets substandard service.

[Nanflexal]

This is a Major problem, I have spoken to Smart Customer support (Corporate account) and after 20 minutes of conversation, I manage to convince her if i can use thier bandwidth to my project.

Smart said, They only provide Connection within customer area, That mean Smart will only provide connection for your house / home not to re-sell thier bandwidth but i didn't give up and i told her, What if i use high power Wireless Access point then re-broadcast the signal outside my area then smart said, It's fine however they don't provide support if the connection will be send outside the customer area and i told her again. I said, just provide me the bandwidth then i will do the rest and i was able to apply for corporate account but until now there is no feedback maybe because of monopoly.

Smart BRO enterprise Plan:
1 Mbps = 100,000.00 pesos or $2200.00 Dollar
512 Kbps = 45,00.00 pesos or $1000.00 Dollar
388 Kbps = 2200.00 pesos for $60.00 Dollar with Guarantee bandwidth of 64 Kbps. My god. Look at the effect of monopoly.

I forgot 2 & 4 Mbps. Very cheap right.

anyway what is your bandwidth provider?

maybe this PISO can help us.
http://www.piso.org.ph/
PISO's VISION
To be the leading organization promoting the continuing growth and development of the Internet industry and its related sectors by protecting the interests of stakeholders and beneficiaries, encouraging continuing technological innovation, fostering fair competition in a level playing field and supporting entrepreneurship efforts among the ranks of independent ISPs in the Philippines.

PISO's MISSION
As the country's leading organization of providers of Internet connectivity and other Internet-related services, PISO is committed to promoting and protecting the rights of all stakeholders and beneficiaries of the Internet industry by encouraging professionalism among its members, spurring continuing technological innovation and ensuring that the social and economic benefits of the Internet will reach the Filipino people. This will be realized by:

· Fostering greater unity and closer cooperation among its members. This is done through the sharing of resources such as telecommunications infrastructure and skill sets amongst members.

· Ensuring the maintenance of a competitive environment and a level playing field. Each member is expected to provide fair access to their network and services.

· Encouraging professionalism among its members and allied sectors in the industry.This is accomplished through strict compliance to a business ethical standards.

· Promoting innovative product/service offerings and provide better service levels.

· Educating all stake-holders of the industry on the effects of existing or planned legislation, excessive regulation, and other discriminatory practices on the industry.

[Nanflexal]

If we use License free (2.4Ghs and 5 Ghz) Band there is no need to apply for license, I already call NTC about that they said, i just need VAS application and would cost 30,000.00 pesos every 5 years then they need also the agreement between you and the bandwidth provider before they approve your VAS application. (VAS = Value Added Service)

It's very sad that goverment of the philippines always protect telco leaving Remote Area / Rural barangay in the dark and they don't have a plan for Remote Area / Rural barangay, If we don't build this network it will take 20 or 100 years (we're lukcy if bring the power of internet to the Rural Barangay but i doubt.

If we dont build this network, who will build it? Smart / PLDT / Globe addionally our area is mountaintous you need alot of tower to cover the area.

This the related thread of my project
http://forum.wirelessforum.info/index.php?/topic/2-wireless-metorpolitan-area-network/page__pid__2__st__0&#entry2
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Reference about R.A 7925
http://www.lawphil.net/statutes/repacts/ra1995/ra_7925_1995.html

(h) Value-added service provider (VAS) - an entity which, relying on the transmission, switching and local distribution facilities of the local exchange and inter-exchange operators, and overseas carriers, offers enhanced services beyond those ordinarily provided for by such carriers.

VAS or Value added service. The law allow company / person to provide VAS provided the secure approval from the NTC, I will arrange the bandwidth provider first before applying for VAS.

[Nanflexal]

by the way here's my network...

You can use http://www.wirelessforum.info so we can have better discussion.

Thanks

[zirculs]

Presently, we're using 6 smartbro accounts (all residential), but planing for a lease line since wireless is becoming more unreliable for a backbone. Actually, getting isp for your project is not a problem. PLDT is giving bandwidth with service level agreement through their product Igate (for wired) or smartbro enterprise (wireless).

But even though telco will grant you interconnection with SLA, you need to be a PTE in order for you to resell bandwidth using your wireless network legally. Since VAS provider (such as wired ISP) are limited to the use of PTE's network only. In the Philippines only big, large, rich and the privileged companies are granted franchise by congress. WISP should have followed CATV in 1997 through an executive order by Pres. Ramos lifting the need of a congressional franchise; now, they are only required to seek authority (certificate of public convenience and necessity) from the municipal/city council of the place they plan to operate.

If you have notice, wired ISP in the Philippines has decreased in number so fast. One is closing shop after the other, and only large telco/isp are growing in full bloom. Speaking of PISO (pls read also their position paper on wifi in 2004 in their website), I think they have fallen asleep since 2005.

[zirculs]

Lifted from PISO position paper on wifi...

"Because of the limitations set by RA 7925, preventing alternative and value-added service providers from setting-up their own infrastructure (Section 11), the telephone companies have used this particular section to leverage their own competing value added-services."

[Nanflexal]

What is your router? can we find 8 WAN port and 1 LAN router?

If i can get 8 WAN and 1 LAN port router, i will subcribe 7 account Smart bro residential plan "Share it" (up to 2 Mbps speed.

Speed : Up to 2 Mbps
No. of Hours use : UNLIMITED
Connection : Wireless Connection (Via Wifi Router) do you know this plan?
total bandwidth for 7 residential plan is: 14 Mbps

and one 384 Kbps dedicated internet backdone. this can power my network. what do you think.


rconaway , i can't the manage switch you mention, please post the exact model or if you know other brand that can operate in higher temperature please post it here. Many thanks.

by the way, i found edimax 8 wan port router but it's expensive, almost $1000

[SaltyTiger]

Nanflexal,

We are using loadbalancers from Peplink www.peplink.com on our network with up to 7 WAN ports, they are not cheap, but works very well.

Hope this helps.

[rconaway]

I'm not an Edimax fan. We had a couple of them and they didn't work worth crud. Peplink is the best one we could find and have run them for several years successfully. Under full disclosure, we ended up being a dealer for them for that reason. They make a 7 port version or you can combine smaller ones. If you are on a budget and with your internet speed being pretty slow, you can start with some smaller ones and add on later. However, if you can afford it, go right for the big boy.

As for the high-temp managed switch, I'm not sure. The Enterasys units won't work much above 100 degrees. The linksys, non-managed switches will do 122 degrees. What you could do is use an Enterasys E1 or some other edge switch at your backbone but the Peplink's will block a lot of that traffic also.

[Nanflexal]

what if i choose Peplink 30 then add another one later, can i combine this two (2) Peplink 30 without blocking it's other?

the temperature here is just 30-45 degree.

guys, please answer this question, what if i put IP camera in Matnog, Tikling, culasi and bon-ot big. can i access this camera via Wireless LAN traffic and take note, I will put Manage / un-manage switch in Tikling, Culasi and bon-ot.

[rconaway]

Peplink 30 might be too small. I would suggest the 300 but you can always combine them.

[Nanflexal]

Peplink 30 might be too small. I would suggest the 300 but you can always combine them.

do i need to buy another hardware to combine them?

if yes, I would rather buy peplink 710 later. i don't need high power router right now because i'm just starting WISP, i need to build the infrastructure then let everyone know that internet is now available in our area, so from there i will check how the market response.

but anyway, I will check the price of Peplink 710 here in the philippines. i know some reseller of this product and owner.

Update: i called PLDT corporate account and this is what i got:

Smart Bro enterprise
388Kbps is 2200.00 or $50
588 Kbps is 6600.00 or $150
1 Mbps is 18000.00 or $620

Pldt I-Gate
1Mbps lease line 26000.00 or $620

[Nanflexal]

Any change of 4 to 8 WAN port and 1 LAN affordable router, i'm short of budget if i use peplink router. please recommend a good and tested 4 to 8 WAN port router and 1 LAn port.

many thanks.

- Alex

[zirculs]

In my network, we use mikrotik RB450 for load balancing, implemented limitation on ptp & torrent traffic, user manager etc... since I'm subscribe to the same 6 isp (giving me local, dynamic ip, & on the same gateway), I use 3 dlink lb-604 (dual wan load balancer) before RB450. setup looks like...

internet(1,2)----> dlink1 (100$)
internet(3,4)----> dlink2 (100$)------>RB450(100$) ------>APs = (total cost: $400)
internet(5,6)----> dlink3 (100$)

Peplink 710 with 7 wan port cost $4000 but I believe management is simplier and web based (because I have not tried, cant' afford), than configuring mikrotik routerOS in winbox.

[Nanflexal]

I plan to use two (2) TL-R488T it's 4 wan port and 1 lan port, do you have experience this product?

I plan to subcribe six (6) 1 Mbps residential plan and two (2) 388 Dedicated internet backbone.

how do i combine this this two router?

[Nanflexal]

I just want to share this interesting link, This Vbond look promising techonology that can provide solution to ISP or WISP and cost effective if using Vbond not hardware base.

Vbond:

V-Bond is the new virtualised Circuit Bonding solution developed by Xrio. V-Bond is simply a software version of Xrio’s UBM hardware appliance, but with the full benefits of virtualisation. Many organisations are now moving towards virtualised solutions to reduce the costs of large amounts of hardware stored in datacentres. Xrio V-Bond is ideal for service providers looking to implement UBM into their datacentre whilst reduce overall business hardware costs.

* Overview
* Features
* Specification
* Use Cases
* Downloads

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One of the biggest advantages of virtualisation is cost savings. Running equipment or a data facility can lead to high power usage and storage costs dependant on the number of appliances that operate simultaneously and continuously. As a virtualisation solution, V-Bond enables you to provide Circuit Bonding to your customers, whilst reducing the power consumed and storage costs through reducing the amount of installed hardware. V-Bond is a cost effective alternative to standard Circuit Bonding solutions as a single server* is capable of bonding up to 800 circuits which removes the need for hardware installations, labour costs, cables and network infrastructure, but whilst delivering more for your spend.

Xrio V-Bond makes it easy, and quick for you to implement and offer Circuit Bonding solutions. Simply purchase V-Bond and receive a unique product licence key instantly from Xrio, which allows you to install V-Bond software onto your server. Having the capacity to serve up to 100 circuits and option of purchasing additional instances V-Bond instantly provides a cost effective and scalable solution for your business. V-Bond also offers no restrictions or limitations on the number of circuits you can bond together. Licence keys are renewed annually and completed automatically, so no need to worry about updating your license, Xrio takes care of it all for you. Xrio can also provides you with the hardware for your VBond solution if required.
*recommended quad core p4 server


http://www.xrio.com/products/v-bond.aspx
V-Bond is the new virtualised Circuit Bonding solution developed by Xrio. V-Bond is simply a software version of Xrio’s UBM hardware appliance, but with the full benefits of virtualisation. Many organisations are now moving towards virtualised solutions to reduce the costs of large amounts of hardware stored in datacentres. Xrio V-Bond is ideal for service providers looking to implement UBM into their datacentre whilst reduce overall business hardware costs.




Outbound Load Balancing

* Round Robin
* Best Response
* Shortest Path
* Least Traffic
* Policy Based Routing
* Session Persistance
* Failover
* Inteligent Link Healthcheck

Multi Site Connectivity

* VPN Bonding (Packet Split)
* VPN Auto-Failover
* Tunnel Load Balancing
* Tunnel Routing

Other Features

* High Availability
* DNS Load Balancing
* Transparent Mode
* Central Management System
* Firewall/DDOS
* ISP Bonding
* Real-time Bandwidth Monitor
* Hardware Watchdog
* Hardware Bypass Function

Detailed Features

* Dynamic IP on WAN
* PPPoE on WAN
* Multi Level Access Control
* Management on WAN
* Upload/Download Config
* Firmware Upgrade from UI
* Diagnostics (ARP, Conn Table)
* Port Redirection

[Nanflexal]

this V-Bond also expensive.

guys, can i use 6 D-link router with 2 WAN port and connect it to Switch with 12 LAN Port, i understand that the DHCP of five router should be disable.

[Nanflexal]

In my network, we use mikrotik RB450 for load balancing, implemented limitation on ptp & torrent traffic, user manager etc... since I'm subscribe to the same 6 isp (giving me local, dynamic ip, & on the same gateway), I use 3 dlink lb-604 (dual wan load balancer) before RB450. setup looks like...

internet(1,2)----> dlink1 (100$)
internet(3,4)----> dlink2 (100$)------>RB450(100$) ------>APs = (total cost: $400)
internet(5,6)----> dlink3 (100$)

Peplink 710 with 7 wan port cost $4000 but I believe management is simplier and web based (because I have not tried, cant' afford), than configuring mikrotik routerOS in winbox.

i use the same setup, should i disable DHCP on dlink2 and dlink3. is that correct?

[zirculs]

i use the same setup, should i disable DHCP on dlink2 and dlink3. is that correct?


DCHP in dlink 1 to 3 were all disabled because I assign fixed ip to each interface in RB450 that connect to lan port of each dlink router, but it doesn't matter. Dchp server is configured in RB450, and dlink routers are not visible or transparent to your clients.

[sxpert]

we've been using some other technology for that sort of thing
we create a tunnel from each terminating ubiquity hardware box to a central server located in a data center.

All boxes run olsr ( http://olsr.org/ ) or the new babel ( http://www.pps.jussieu.fr/~jch/software/babel/ ) protocol (choose one).
The system is self organizing, and self healing, provided you have proper triangulation.

[Ron]

In my network, we use mikrotik RB450 for load balancing, implemented limitation on ptp & torrent traffic, user manager etc... since I'm subscribe to the same 6 isp (giving me local, dynamic ip, & on the same gateway), I use 3 dlink lb-604 (dual wan load balancer) before RB450. setup looks like...

internet(1,2)----> dlink1 (100$)
internet(3,4)----> dlink2 (100$)------>RB450(100$) ------>APs = (total cost: $400)
internet(5,6)----> dlink3 (100$)

Peplink 710 with 7 wan port cost $4000 but I believe management is simplier and web based (because I have not tried, cant' afford), than configuring mikrotik routerOS in winbox.

You don't need the d-links, you can simply connect the RB450 to a VLAN switch or use the RB493.

[Nanflexal]

DCHP in dlink 1 to 3 were all disabled because I assign fixed ip to each interface in RB450 that connect to lan port of each dlink router, but it doesn't matter. Dchp server is configured in RB450, and dlink routers are not visible or transparent to your clients.

I never use RB450 before, can i configure RB450 via GUI?

[Nanflexal]

Option one
Client Area:
Culasi
3. Base Station: Rocket5 MIMO, AirMax Basestation $89.00
4. MiMoSector-5G16 - 120 Degree 5 Ghz MIMO 16 dbi Sector - $79.00

Calintaan & Calayuan
5. Base Station: Rocket5 MIMO, AirMax Basestation $89.00
6. MiMoSector-5G16 - 120 Degree 5 Ghz MIMO 16 dbi Sector - $79.00

Bon-ot Big
5. Base Station: Rocket5 MIMO, AirMax Basestation $89.00
6. MiMoSector-5G16 - 120 Degree 5 Ghz MIMO 16 dbi Sector - $79.00

Guys, I need your openion about this, if i use 16 dbi Sector or 19 dbi Sector, is there any disadvantage or advantage between the two, I prefer to use 16 dbi because it's cheaper and my tower is just 4 km away from calintaan and calayuan and 2 km from culasi and 1 km in bon-ot big.

Option 2:
Client Area
Culasi
3. Base Station: Rocket5 MIMO, AirMax Basestation $89.00
4. MiMoSector-5G19 - 120 Degree 5 Ghz MIMO 19 dbi Sector - $139.00

Calalintaan & Calayuan
5. Base Station: Rocket5 MIMO, AirMax Basestation $89.00
6. MiMoSector-5G19 - 120 Degree 5 Ghz MIMO 19 dbi Sector - $139.00

Bon-ot Big
5. Base Station: Rocket5 MIMO, AirMax Basestation $89.00
6. MiMoSector-5G19 - 120 Degree 5 Ghz MIMO 19 dbi Sector - $139.00

and please take a look my equipment, i want to finalize my equipment so i can start building my tower and hopefully we can operate before the end of this year or perhaps 2nd Week of January 2010.

please feel free to give constructive criticisms and feedback.

Thank you very much, i look forward for your reply guys.

@ Alex

[zirculs]

You don't need the d-links, you can simply connect the RB450 to a VLAN switch or use the RB493.

It's needed, load balancing won't work as planned if you won't because the gateway of all the 6 isp are the same (192.168.224.1) . In IP Routes, when you assign traffic with mark "one" to pass through wan1, marked "two" in wan2 and "three" in wan3 for example, routerOS automatically assign interface wan1 in all 3 routes because it sense only one gateway (192.168.224.1). So desired load balancing won't work because I'm using policy and per-traffic routing. To resolve, dlink router were used and assigned as gateway for the routerboard, though in reality the 6 traffic will be just passing in the same gateway eventually.

[zirculs]

I never use RB450 before, can i configure RB450 via GUI?

You can use the webbox, but the functionality is very limited. All you need to operate a small to medium wisp are their in a box, load balancing, user management, traffic shaping, etc...but it's in the winbox (it has GUI), though it's easy pasting the codes in the terminal.

If you have a little background in networking, learning mikrotik wont take very long. Though you have a lot of things you need to know their. Use mikrotik routerOS manual and mikrotik wiki (there's a lot of example their) as your references and start building your own pc based router from old computer by installing mikrotik demo.

For a start I suggest you buy RB750, I bought it last week from aerial.net for only $39 plus the $38 UPS freight and it's still cheaper than the dlink di lb604 ($100).

[Nanflexal]

I have backgroup in networking and cisco router and VOIP via asterisk VOIP server,

So my setup would be:
internet(1,2)----> dlink1
internet(3,4)----> dlink2 ------>RB750 ------>APs
internet(5,6)----> dlink3

I saw 5 WAN port from taiwan manufacturer and they have local distributor in the philippinee & firmware is upgradable, meaning if they release a new firmware they can support 6 WAN port so on and so forth.

I will check this product because i want to save electricity bill too.

[Nanflexal]

The TL-SF1008P 8-port 10/100M Desktop PoE Switch provides the seamless network connection. It integrates 100Mbps Fast Ethernet and 10Mbps Ethernet network capabilities.

4 of the 8 Auto-Negotiation RJ45 ports (port-1 to port-4) of the switch support Power over Ethernet (PoE) function. These PoE ports can automatically detect and supply power with those IEEE 802.3af compliant Powered Devices (PDs). In this situation, the electrical power is transmitted along with data in one single cable allowing you to expand your network where there are no power lines or outlets, where you wish to fix devices such as APs, IP Cameras or IP Phones, etc.

8-port Desktop PoE Switch, 8x10/100M ports with 4 PoE ports
[TL-SF1008P]

can we find enclosure for this switch.

[Nanflexal]

i have another question guys, if i have 6 Mbps internet backdone can i share it to 10 users in culasi and 10 users in in bon-ot big.


and any suggestion about my equipment? i just want to make sure if this equipment will work on design / plan

Also, i would like to know the advantage of using Airmax and Powerstation 2 and which is better to my design, Airmax or Power station 2?


Thanks
Alex

The network is point to point.

[Nanflexal]

i have another question guys, if i have 6 Mbps internet backdone can i share it to 10 users in culasi and 10 users in in bon-ot big.

Guys, please answer this question. thank you very much.


@ Alex

[WHT]

Yes and no.

If you don't have any bandwidth management in place, then just ONE user could take your whole network down.

If you are controlling your bandwidth allocations, then you could support at least 40 users and perhaps as many as 120, in round numbers, with a 6 Mbps internet connection.

[Nanflexal]

Yes and no.

If you don't have any bandwidth management in place, then just ONE user could take your whole network down.

If you are controlling your bandwidth allocations, then you could support at least 40 users and perhaps as many as 120, in round numbers, with a 6 Mbps internet connection.

Thank for you very much for your input WHT, I will put bandwidth management in all backhaul, probably a management switch with bandwitdh management can do this.

Maybe i can get 4 or 3 Mbps in culasi and bon-ot big since the data will travell from matnog to culasi and bon-ot big.

how about the equipment WHT, do you have any suggestion that can further enhance my network.

anyone use this product "RB750" does it have bandwidth management feature?

Thanks

ALex

[Nanflexal]

Hello guys,

I need your openion about the bandwidth, i have 3 ISP with 1 Mbps each, how many user can share this connection?

Thanks

[WHT]

3 users??

padding for short msg here

[Nanflexal]

I was searching for cheap manage switch and i came across to this site:

Netgear GS105 5-Port 10/100/1000 Mbps Gigabit Ethernet Switch, price $42 - $70
http://gamespot-shopper.com.com/switches/gs105-5-port-10/4014-6432_9-30563752.html?info=write#info-5

Can someone comfirm if this manage switch or un-manage.

Thank you so much

Alex

[Dave-D]

un-managed. sorry. Dave

[Nanflexal]

Dave, do you know some manage switch around $50 to $90?

[Dave-D]

Dell sells a Gb Web-managed switch; I
use last year's model of this in my office.:
http://www.dell.com/us/en/business/networking/switch-powerconnect-2808/pd.aspx?refid=switch-powerconnect-2808&s=bsd&cs=04

considering it's only $140 (on sale for $105),
it's pretty close to your target price. Note it's
not fully managed--only 'Web-managed', and
it isn't PoE of course.

What management features do you believe
you need? Dave

[Nanflexal]

Dell sells a Gb Web-managed switch; I
use last year's model of this in my office.:
http://www.dell.com/us/en/business/networking/switch-powerconnect-2808/pd.aspx?refid=switch-powerconnect-2808&s=bsd&cs=04

considering it's only $140 (on sale for $105),
it's pretty close to your target price. Note it's
not fully managed--only 'Web-managed', and
it isn't PoE of course.

What management features do you believe
you need? Dave

Fantastic dave, This is exactly what i'm looking for. i prefer for web manage because its easy to configure.

how big is this? I will buy an enclosure to house this switch so i can put this switch outside.

Dave, I'm just worry about my internet connection, let say i have 3 ISP i matnog and 1 Mbps each, do you think it can react in Bon-ot Big?

I'm new to wireless but im not new to networking.

[Dave-D]

Sorry, Alex, I can't quite understand what
you're asking.

First, a 'Web-managed' switch doesn't have
full management abilities; be sure that the
features you want are provided. A fully-
managed switch also uses a Web GUI,
but it's much more expensive.

Second, for dimensions and specs, go to the
Dell site and look at their user manual.

Third, I don't have a clue about your network
configuration, and I've never been in Bon-ot Big.
(I'm sure it's a lovely place.) Dave

[kilos]

Look at the 8 port Gigabit Netgear PROSAFE® 8-PORT GIGABIT SMART SWITCH
GS108T (http://www.netgear.com/Products/Switches/AdvancedSmartSwitches/GS108T.aspx) looks like it might be a solution

Why not use the Mikrotik RB750 for managment
But rconaway did mention a managed switch Enterasys
At each location, all you need is a switch. If you have reasonable temperatures or buildings, get a managed switches (we use Enterasys switches off Ebay, really cheap) with the ability to monitor and manage ports. If not, get some Linksys SD switches that can handle higher temperatures. They are $40-$100.

[opampca]

I would look at the 5 ports Mikrotik RB750, for 39$, or the RB450 with metal casing for around 100$, and totally managed...and more...you can even run scripts you like on them...

[Dave-D]

Alex, I should have mentioned that all
Gb links use all four pairs of the CAT5
cable. So you can't mix Gb and PoE on the
same cable. A Gb switch is a poor choice.

I gotta say that RB450 looks very attractive.
It can function as a layer 3 switch and/or
a router--both with GUI management. If you
plan to 'roll your own' PoE switch, you can
even buy it as a 'raw' board for about $70
and mount it in your own housing. Dave

[sxpert]

Alex, I should have mentioned that all
Gb links use all four pairs of the CAT5
cable. So you can't mix Gb and PoE on the
same cable. A Gb switch is a poor choice.

this is obviously completely wrong

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_over_Ethernet

this is supported by the routerstation PRO btw...

as for a gigabit switch, I've had good experience with the procurve 1800-24G which is now being replaced with the procurve 1810-G

[WHT]

Alex, I should have mentioned that all
Gb links use all four pairs of the CAT5
cable. So you can't mix Gb and PoE on the
same cable. A Gb switch is a poor choice.

Correct - Giga uses all four pairs.

Incorrect - You can use PoE on Giga cables. Same way telephone key systems work. They inject 400 Hz AC across the balanced voice/data pair.

[Dave-D]

sxpert, 'obviously completely wrong' shows
a true lack of understanding. Let me
explain for everybody what's going on.

The scenario Alex and I were discussing
is PoE power applied external to a low-cost
switch. If you do this with a 100-speed
switch, no problem; those leads are unused.

If you do it with a Gb switch, the circuit
will definitely fail--at least at Gb speeds.

Gb switches with integral PoE use special
coupling transformers on the PoE leads--
ones that can take high dc current and
are balanced--have a center-tap. The
PoE voltage is applied to the center-tap.

This [as WHT pointed out] is the same
technique used forever in the telephone
industry to combine dc and ac (audio).

If you apply dc on two leads of a Gb
switch, it puts a dead short on them.
Because I had suggested using a Gb
switch, that makes the idea ludicrous.
You might as well use a 10/100 switch.

I hope this answers the technical issues. Dave

PS: forgot to cite a source:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_over_Ethernet

<<A "phantom power" technique is used to allow the powered pairs to also carry data. This permits its use ... with 1000BASE-T (gigabit Ethernet), which uses all four pairs for data transmission. This is possible because all versions of Ethernet over twisted pair cable specify differential data transmission over each pair with transformer coupling; the DC supply and load connections can be made to the transformer center-taps at each end.>>

[Nanflexal]

Thank for your comment guys.

My Primary target for Broadband bonding / load balancer in matnog is:

First choice: TRUFFLE 5201G
http://www.mushroomnetworks.com/product.aspx?product_id=1000&tab=features

Second Choice:
TRUFFLE 6401
http://www.mushroomnetworks.com/product.aspx?product_id=1000

or
FVR410s from www.qno.com.tw

both network appliances use 10/100 Mbps and if budget is a problem, i will surely go to FVR410s or TRUFFLE 5201G.


for Manage switch, can i use Mikrotik RB750? is this fully manage switch and can be manage via GUI?

[Dave-D]

Yes to the RB750.

It's actually a full-featured stateful
router that happens to also have a
dedicated switch chip. Includes VPN,
MPLS, GUI control panel. Dave

[Nanflexal]

Yes to the RB750.

It's actually a full-featured stateful
router that happens to also have a
dedicated switch chip. Includes VPN,
MPLS, GUI control panel. Dave

Great Dave.


Now my only concers is my Internet backdone. i don't much bandwidth to support my client so i'm searching other way to support more client.

Lease line and T1 is not available in Matnog so i will have to subcribe Smart BRO enterprise with 388 or 512 Kbps internet, this line is comperable to T1 or Lease line.

the price of 388 Kbps is $50 and $130 per month. I plan to subcribe twelve (12) of 388 Kbps internet and buy two (2) FVR410s, FVR410s device has 4 WAN port and you can use two or there of them to make load balancer.

[WHT]

MT seem to try to hide or obfuscate everythingYeah..its like you have to belong to the private club of certified people to get answers. Winbox is nice, but you still have to use the CLI for some things. Sure wish the CLI had a <more> option as the screen contents scroll by too fast to read. Mebbe there is, I just haven't bothered to look.

[opampca]

Actually, the CLI of RouterOS gives you access to all the configurations available.
It is useful to copy paste configuration examples you find in their wiki or forum.
Then yo can see what it did with Winbox, a more user friendly interface.
It takes quite a while to get used to all the configurations, being a very complete routing system.
Richard

[Dave-D]

I don't have an RB750.

Can anybody confirm for nanflexal
that if he wants to use only the
switch features, he can use the
GUI to manage them easily? Dave

[johnhomer]

Smart said, They only provide Connection within customer area, That mean Smart will only provide connection for your house / home not to re-sell thier bandwidth but i didn't give up and i told her, What if i use high power Wireless Access point then re-broadcast the signal outside my area then smart said, It's fine however they don't provide support if the connection will be send outside the customer area and i told her again. I said, just provide me the bandwidth then i will do the rest and i was able to apply for corporate account but until now there is no feedback maybe because of monopoly.


Make sure your contract with your ISP states that you can re-sell your bandwidth. You are probably talking to your account manager. Your account manager will say anything to close the deal.


Smart BRO enterprise Plan:
1 Mbps = 100,000.00 pesos or $2200.00 Dollar
512 Kbps = 45,00.00 pesos or $1000.00 Dollar
388 Kbps = 2200.00 pesos for $60.00 Dollar with Guarantee bandwidth of 64 Kbps. My god. Look at the effect of monopoly.

I forgot 2 & 4 Mbps. Very cheap right.


Certainly Not! The going rate for an E1 here in the Philippines is around 60 to 65K PHP. Smart Bro is wireless solution. So last-mile cost is cheaper.


Nice to know a fellow Ubnt user from the Philippines.

[opampca]

I don't have an RB750.

Can anybody confirm for nanflexal
that if he wants to use only the
switch features, he can use the
GUI to manage them easily? Dave

Sure he can.
All you do is assign a master port and get the interfaces you want follow it.
If you use Winbox GUI, in the interface list, you pick the interface, double click it and in General tab choose the Master Port you want. You do the same for all interfaces you want to the switch.
Same with RB450

[agsweeney]

I tend to look at it this way; the RB450 has more "time in the field" and more of the bugs worked out.

While I am sure that the RB750 is a decent product, I wouldn't put one into production just yet. Remember, this device is powered by the AR7240 like the new AirMax line and we have all seen that there was an issue with the drivers for the on-chip ethernet that may or may not be 100% worked out and if UBNT had issue it stands to reason that so will Mikrotik.

As a side note; the plastic case of the RB750 is nice for table top use, but I actually prefer the "naked" RB450 because of the way I mount the boards in my panels.

[zirculs]

I don't have an RB750.

Can anybody confirm for nanflexal
that if he wants to use only the
switch features, he can use the
GUI to manage them easily? Dave

RB750 is already configured out of the box as a simple home router. Port1 as WAN port, dchp server enabled, and port 2-5 as LAN switch, so it's more of a plug and play. If you want to use it initially as a switch use port 2 to 5 only, 'til you learn more of mikrotik power and configure it whatever you want to manage your connected devices.

[Nanflexal]

i will have to wait a few more months to deploy this service in our Town because one of the Telco provider in our country are busy upgrading its Cell site to support HSPA and they planning to offer 2 -5 Mbps per user.


Can we receive the signal from Airmax using laptop near 180 meter away from base station? otherwise we have use NSM5 to receive the signal.

[WHT]

Telco provider in our country are busy upgrading its Cell site to support HSPA and they planning to offer 2 -5 Mbps per user.
With 5 GB caps, right?

[Nanflexal]

With 5 GB caps, right?

i don't have information about that WHT but i'm happy if i can have 5 -7 Mbps internet connection.

[rconaway]

Guys, simplify life. Go out to ebay, buy a procurve managed router for about $50 which comes with a lifetime warranty. Heck, buy 2 at that price. Forget the PoE switch, not needed. Then but Patronsoft FirstSpot for $850, all your worries are gone. Anybody can manage it and it has detailed bandwdith management, both real time and monthly totals. Life is good and simple.

[rmichael]

Procurve are nice, just make sure you will not need STP as it is unsuported on cheaper models.

[Nanflexal]

Guys, simplify life. Go out to ebay, buy a procurve managed router for about $50 which comes with a lifetime warranty. Heck, buy 2 at that price. Forget the PoE switch, not needed. Then but Patronsoft FirstSpot for $850, all your worries are gone. Anybody can manage it and it has detailed bandwdith management, both real time and monthly totals. Life is good and simple.

That would make our job easier. Nice one Rconway

[Nanflexal]

Guys,

you can also use "Ethernet Extender" or "Lan Extender" for remote WiFi access points. if this plan wll push thru, I will connect 2 or 4 Barangay / Town via Ethernet Extender, you can also save thousands in labor, administration, and security.


about ethernet extender:
An Ethernet extender (also network extender) is any device used to extend an Ethernet segment beyond its normal distance limitation which is approximately 100 metres (330 ft) for most common forms of Ethernet. These devices employ a variety of transmission technologies and physical media (copper wire, fiber-optic cable, coaxial cable).

Extenders that use copper wire include 2- and 4-wire variants using unconditioned copper wiring to extend a LANs. Network extenders use various methods (line encodings), such as TC-PAM, 2B1Q or DMT, to transmit information. While transmitting over copper wire does not allow for the speeds that fiber-optic transmission does, it allows the use of existing voice-grade copper wiring. Copper-based Ethernet extenders must be used on unconditioned wire, ie without load coils, such as unused twisted pairs and alarm circuits.

[WHT]

Procurve are nice, just make sure you will not need STP as it is unsuported on cheaper models.Hardly an issue. Just make up a six inch STP jumper with STP jack on one end, standard UTP plug on the other, then ground the shield.

[dayas]

Hardly an issue. Just make up a six inch STP jumper with STP jack on one end, standard UTP plug on the other, then ground the shield.

??

Is he not reffering to spanning tree protocol. STP?

[Ron]

??

Is he not reffering to spanning tree protocol. STP?

He was, WHT got confused.

[Ron]

Guys,

you can also use "Ethernet Extender" or "Lan Extender" for remote WiFi access points. if this plan wll push thru, I will connect 2 or 4 Barangay / Town via Ethernet Extender, you can also save thousands in labor, administration, and security.


about ethernet extender:

Careful. There are many electrical issues associated with running copper over long distances or between different power feeds.

[WHT]

??

Is he not reffering to spanning tree protocol. STP?
ROFL...DUH! My bad. I was using a piece of STP *CABLE* on my PDA/Smartpone because I couldn't find my stylus and well, you know what came to mind first.

[dayas]

ROFL...DUH! My bad. I was using a piece of STP *CABLE* on my PDA/Smartpone because I couldn't find my stylus and well, you know what came to mind first.

lol I thought there was a joke somewhere that i missed..

[Nanflexal]

Careful. There are many electrical issues associated with running copper over long distances or between different power feeds.

I see, but in our place, we don't have much overhead power line or cable but i look in to this. there is only 4 power line in our place, 2 line in left side and 2 line in right side with 60 meters distance. copper wire will go underground because in our place, it so easy to put wire / cable underground.

I'm excited about this project, linking 2 or 4 Barangay / Town within LAN react is fantastic, we can have triple play, Games, Net and E-Learning but my primary purpose of this network will provide internet and E-Learning to our community and once inter-connected, we're going to use network cable for internet access each house and i will use Airmax for last mile connection and hot-spot.

[WHT]

Careful. There are many electrical issues associated with running copper over long distances or between different power feeds.Why is that? There's no electrical connection between the different power feeds.

Nevertheless, I'd use fiber optic cable and media converters. Or at least station protects at both ends if using copper paris.

[Nanflexal]

hello WHT,

can you give me an idea about the price of Fiber optic per meter and Copper wire.

Thanks in advance.

[rconaway]

I'm confused also. The power shouldn't make a difference. You are talking about VDSL over copper. I use them a lot a they rock. I think the ranges is 5000 feet or more of the copper is good.

[Ron]

I'm confused also. The power shouldn't make a difference. You are talking about VDSL over copper. I use them a lot a they rock. I think the ranges is 5000 feet or more of the copper is good.

Would you connect two buildings in a third world country by copper? What if they are on different transformers?

If you would, what kind of protection equipment do you install against ESD and lightning?

[WHT]

Would you connect two buildings in a third world country by copper? What if they are on different transformers?

If you would, what kind of protection equipment do you install against ESD and lightning?
There's no reason why you can't install copper data or phone lines between two buildings, even if one is on 240 delta and other on wye phase, or even a 48 DC volt bus and 28 volt 400 Hz AC, or even a ground return to the county electric coop and city muni electrical grid.

If you carefully notice the subtle difference what you are asking and what I am saying. Data and phone lines have nothing to do with the electric building service coming of AC transformers.


ESD and and lightning require different forms of protection. Best solution is gas tubes for lightning, clamp diodes for ESD, and PTC for metallic shorts.

[WHT]

can you give me an idea about the price of Fiber optic per meter and Copper wire.
That all depends on your supplier. Copper prices are very volatile.

[rconaway]

I agree that wireless is a better solution but if you had a copper pair of cat1-cat5 in the ground, you can use VDSL. However, if you can't be sure if the copper will be there tomorrow, it's a no brainer. Wireless is faster thought, especially on long runs. It's also cheaper which is funny.

[WHT]

It's also cheaper which is funny.Only because Micro$oft hasn't figured out a way to charge ya for wireless packets from a Windows OS...YET.

Try running a ping to microsoft.com. It fails. Why? They haven't figured out how to charge you for the return reply. :D

[Nanflexal]

I called NTC last year. you only need to pay 36k (pesos) every 5 five years.

[Nanflexal]

Guys, is this compatible to Airmax base Station, I'm thinking of Open Mesh network but i just visited UBNT site today and i found this product Airmax CPE, at a price of $29 this is very affordable as CPE for our Client.

we can save money and can cover more town / villlages.


Complete AirMax CPE Solutions starting at $29 USD MSRP.

[rconaway]

It might be the solution you are looking for but these are single stream devices.

[Nanflexal]

It might be the solution you are looking for but these are single stream devices.

do we have dual stream devices in ubnt?

[Nanflexal]

Hello guys, can we configure NB-5G22 & ROCKET M5 as "Bridge" base-station for the remote sites using bridge/backhaul mode, because in this setup, performance and reliability is optimized since the base will communicate only to remote stations specified or whose ID (MAC Address) is registered and the radio will not spend time and bandwidth searching for clients to associate to it.

or do i need to use wireless bridge switch then attach 3 ROCKET M5 since NB-5G22 will be configure as bridge connected to Wireless Bridge switch, I just want a Bridge backhaul.

http://i48.tinypic.com/juaiwm.jpg

in every town, I have two (2) plan in this Bridge backhaul setup.


First: use Open Mesh router to create mesh network in every Villages / Town

Second: use Airgrid M 5.8 Ghz or NSM5 every house in every town / villages.

Please give your contractive criticism and feedback. we will build this network this coming May 2010 but will cover 1 Barangay / Village only and also please check if the Bridge setup is correct. I will introduce first the internet in our Barangay before expanding.

Thanks

Nanflexal

[WHT]

I'd certainly use 5.8 for the PtP backhauls. For the AP/CPE side, I'd go with 2.4. A Bullet M2 with an omni antenna to start off with, and as loading increases, you can easily upscale with a Rocket and sector antennas.

I really wouldn't recommend any mesh application unless if you have a very strict compelling reason. Mesh is like a peanut butter and jelly sandwich - Looks great in the morning, but by lunch its a soggy mess.

[netguides]

do i need to buy another hardware to combine them?

if yes, I would rather buy peplink 710 later. i don't need high power router right now because i'm just starting WISP, i need to build the infrastructure then let everyone know that internet is now available in our area, so from there i will check how the market response.

but anyway, I will check the price of Peplink 710 here in the philippines. i know some reseller of this product and owner.

Update: i called PLDT corporate account and this is what i got:

Smart Bro enterprise
388Kbps is 2200.00 or $50
588 Kbps is 6600.00 or $150
1 Mbps is 18000.00 or $620

Pldt I-Gate
1Mbps lease line 26000.00 or $620

are you sure about this?

last time that i have spoken with a branch manager, he said it costs 2k us dollars per 1mB/s

that was only a few weeks ago..

[jlover]

I do not understand. In facebook, I saw many users with 7Mbps access speed from Smart Bro as they used speedtest.net. They say, it's a Smart Bro Enterprise subscription and costs them only 3,600 Pesos monthly.

Why is it that yours are so expensive?

I have learned from Roughclaw Technologies that there are now many WISP's in the Philippines, is the RA 7925 has been lifted or revised?

Or that VAS is now easy to get?