What product to use?

[jrsc]

Hi,

I'm new at this and a little confused on what product I should be using and was hoping to get some advice here. I have a business which is just outside of the service area for anything except basic dsl. I would like to set up a ptp bridge between the business and a house I own so I can get a higher end internet connection at the office.

The distance between the 2 points is about 3/4 mile. toward the end where the business is there is about 600 feet of trees that I can't get high enough to clear so I will need to go though them. The rest is mostly an open field. We also have somewhat harsh winters with quite a bit of snow if that matters. We will be running general internet traffic, file transfers, and some voip through the connection.

Now I don't know which product would accomplish what I need to do. Will 2 nanostation M's do the job or should I be looking at a Rocket M with the dish antenna on each side, or a bullet M with what antenna on each side?

I'm not really sure where the bullet fits in but the Nanostation M claims 15km so I thought that would be perfect until I started considering the trees so now I thing the rocket's with the dish antenna is what i will need.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks

[opampca]

I just did a test today with 2x Bullet M2 with 24dbi grid in the woods, and 19dbi vagi on a roof top, on a 1.8 miles link, with about 400 feet of trees at the 19dbi vagi end.
Results, 2Mbps without Airmax. Airmax was killing the link.
I have lost about 10-12 dbm thru the woods.
So you need more than Nano for sure to go thru the woods.
But I am not sure if regular Bullet 2 would be the same with 2x 24dbi grids

[davey]

Maybe you should consider using a relay to achieve line of sight, i.e:

DSL source -> Relay -> End point

with both links having LOS. Use Bullets and panels or grids.

[jrsc]

I did consider a relay, but I have no where that I could put one. It has to be just the 2 points.

[rconaway]

You need much more gain than that if you are shooting through trees. You would also be better served using rockets with dual-polarity antennas. Given what you have, I would at least put up 2 28-30dBi grid antennas and try them both at horizontal and vertical polarity. That gives you another 15dBi to work. Shouldn't cost you more than $150 or so.

[jrsc]

Ok, I'm a little confused on the antennas. Are you talking about non ubiquiti antennas? I was thinking 2 rocketM's with 2 of the rocket dish antenna's. Is there a different antenna I should be looking at? Sorry for all the questions, I'm a kinda new at this.

[rkj]

I did consider a relay, but I have no where that I could put one. It has to be just the 2 points.

A tower with solar power on the middle, perhaps ?

[rkj]

... you should try NLOS with 900 MHz. Router Station (or RS Pro) with XR9 has more chance of surviving trees, but if GSM mobile phones operate at 900 MHz in your region you can only use a 10 MHz channel.

[rconaway]

Ok, I'm a little confused on the antennas. Are you talking about non ubiquiti antennas? I was thinking 2 rocketM's with 2 of the rocket dish antenna's. Is there a different antenna I should be looking at? Sorry for all the questions, I'm a kinda new at this.

The Rocket M's with the parabolics would be your first choice. I was thinking bullets with cheaper antennas but 1/2 the bandwdith. However, 900MHz is probably your best gauranteed option.

[jrsc]

I think the rocket with rocket dish is the route i'm going to try. Its not really much more expensive then the other options. I took a walk through the trees that I need to go through and its not as dense as I though it was. Half of what I thought was trees is just brush in the middle of them. Here are some pictures of what I am trying to accomplish. The white line is the line between the 2 antennas.

Thanks for the help.


http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/4026/googleearthimage1y.jpg

http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/1052/googleearthimage2.jpg

http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/6599/googleearthimage3.jpg

http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/9831/googleearthimage4.jpg

[davey]

I don't think that will pose a problem for Rocket M/ dish.

[jrsc]

I just tried to order the stuff and after I did I get an email saying its not available yet and they will ship it when it becomes available. Any suggestions on where to get the stuff now or an alternative. The guy who was supposed to help me install everything is only available til saturday. Do you think I can just get 2 powerstation's and use those with the antennas they have or won't that be enough?

[davey]

I just tried to order the stuff and after I did I get an email saying its not available yet and they will ship it when it becomes available. Any suggestions on where to get the stuff now or an alternative. The guy who was supposed to help me install everything is only available til saturday. Do you think I can just get 2 powerstation's and use those with the antennas they have or won't that be enough?

If you are in a hurry, I'm sure two Powerstations would do.

[jrsc]

I still haven't been able to get this set up because I can't find products in stock anywhere. There seems to be a huge supply problem with all the ubiquiti stuff. Anybody have any ideas on where to get this stuff or an alternative that is available. Winter is coming quickly here and I want to install this stuff before the snow comes. To review what I need to accomplish:

3/4 mile point to point bridge.
600 feet of trees in the middle.
one side of the bridge will contain an internet connection to be used by an office on the other side. The speed of this internet connection will be 5mb down and 5mb up so any bandwidth over what is needed to support that is not necessary.
The only traffic that needs to use the bridge is internet traffic from the office which includes basic internet, voip, and file transfers.
We will probably only be using this for a year or so until our internet provider is able to run fiber directly to us so I would like it to be relatively inexpensive.

[kilos]

So the Bullet M2 (2.4Ghz) will be better bet for trees than the higher freq Bullet M5 (5.8Ghz) ?
The Airmax are selling quicky and out of stock why dont try the conventional Bullet 2 with 24 dB grid on either end.

On the 1611 foote avenue address you will have to move the setup around for a stronger signal ? Why not take a high-resolution image with a camera showing the target locations ?

[jrsc]

Thanks for the reply kilos. Would the regular bullet 2 work or do I need the high power version. Hopefully the regular bullet 2 will work because the high power version also seems a little hard to come by right now. I did find the bullet m2 high power available if that is a better option.

This is the antenna I found: http://www.cyberguys.com/product-details/?productid=35659. Will this work for the bullet 2 or bullet m2?

[drewlsvern]

Thanks for the reply kilos. Would the regular bullet 2 work or do I need the high power version. Hopefully the regular bullet 2 will work because the high power version also seems a little hard to come by right now. I did find the bullet m2 high power available if that is a better option.

This is the antenna I found: http://www.cyberguys.com/product-details/?productid=35659. Will this work for the bullet 2 or bullet m2?

That Antenna will work for sure!